FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

The only thing I could see them doing with poplar tree boundary is moving the very northern part (north of Poplar Tree Rd). to Brookfield. Rocky run is currently underenrolled, would be even more so if they end AAP centers, and Poplar tree isn't currently a split feeder. What part of poplar tree are you saying should be moved out of rocky run/chantilly?

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I'd say leave the Langley/Herndon situation alone. If anything, move some Westfield kids to Herndon to help Chantilly.

During the 2008 South Lakes "study," both Herndon and South Lakes PTAs "turned down" that area. Coates is the logical school to fill Herndon as it is close. But, traffic patterns might make it problematic.

This. Then rezone Oak Hill to Westfield.

You can't rezone Oak Hill to Westfield without moving others out of Westfield. It would overcrowd Westfield.

Chantilly has compact boundaries just like West Springfield. No one will move out of that school without pushing back hard.

I don't understand your reasoning. Coates has probably twice as many kids as Oak Hill once you account for AAP transfers. Herndon is muxh closer to Coates than Westfield so that makes sense, and Oak Hill makes sense to Westfield as there are already surrounding neighborhoods further away to the north already there.

Thought you were only talking about moving Oak Hill from Chantilly to Westfield without moving anyone out of Westfield.

In any event, I don't think they will move a 64% FARMS ES to a 55% HS (Herndon), when Herndon also shares a border with lower-FARMS schools. But I could be wrong.

FWIW, according to the Capacity Dashboard, FCPS is now projecting Chantilly at 98% capacity in 2029-30, so moving kids around to reduce Chantilly's enrollment may be less of an issue that some assume.

I think they will. Oak Hill and Coates can shift.

Forestville could also shift from Langley to Herndon and Forest Edge (closer) from South Lakes to Langley. In five years they don't expect Chantilly to be overcrowded, but they expect Herndon to be at only 69%. Or they could sit tight.

Lots of possibilities.

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I'd say leave the Langley/Herndon situation alone. If anything, move some Westfield kids to Herndon to help Chantilly.

During the 2008 South Lakes "study," both Herndon and South Lakes PTAs "turned down" that area. Coates is the logical school to fill Herndon as it is close. But, traffic patterns might make it problematic.

This. Then rezone Oak Hill to Westfield.

You can't rezone Oak Hill to Westfield without moving others out of Westfield. It would overcrowd Westfield.

Chantilly has compact boundaries just like West Springfield. No one will move out of that school without pushing back hard.

I don't understand your reasoning. Coates has probably twice as many kids as Oak Hill once you account for AAP transfers. Herndon is muxh closer to Coates than Westfield so that makes sense, and Oak Hill makes sense to Westfield as there are already surrounding neighborhoods further away to the north already there.

Thought you were only talking about moving Oak Hill from Chantilly to Westfield without moving anyone out of Westfield.

In any event, I don't think they will move a 64% FARMS ES to a 55% HS (Herndon), when Herndon also shares a border with lower-FARMS schools. But I could be wrong.

FWIW, according to the Capacity Dashboard, FCPS is now projecting Chantilly at 98% capacity in 2029-30, so moving kids around to reduce Chantilly's enrollment may be less of an issue that some assume.

I think they will. Oak Hill and Coates can shift.

Forestville could also shift from Langley to Herndon and Forest Edge (closer) from South Lakes to Langley. In five years they don't expect Chantilly to be overcrowded, but they expect Herndon to be at only 69%. Or they could sit tight.

Lots of possibilities.

Lots of possibilities that are going to upset almost all residents. Do you really think Forest Edge wants to move to Langley? Seriously? Again, going from IB to AP. So, you want to move one group that probably is satisfied where they are just because the demographics are worse? And, move a group that wants to stay at Langley just because it is wealthier?
THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE KIDS.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

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I'd say leave the Langley/Herndon situation alone. If anything, move some Westfield kids to Herndon to help Chantilly.

During the 2008 South Lakes "study," both Herndon and South Lakes PTAs "turned down" that area. Coates is the logical school to fill Herndon as it is close. But, traffic patterns might make it problematic.

This. Then rezone Oak Hill to Westfield.

You can't rezone Oak Hill to Westfield without moving others out of Westfield. It would overcrowd Westfield.

Chantilly has compact boundaries just like West Springfield. No one will move out of that school without pushing back hard.

I don't understand your reasoning. Coates has probably twice as many kids as Oak Hill once you account for AAP transfers. Herndon is muxh closer to Coates than Westfield so that makes sense, and Oak Hill makes sense to Westfield as there are already surrounding neighborhoods further away to the north already there.

Thought you were only talking about moving Oak Hill from Chantilly to Westfield without moving anyone out of Westfield.

In any event, I don't think they will move a 64% FARMS ES to a 55% HS (Herndon), when Herndon also shares a border with lower-FARMS schools. But I could be wrong.

FWIW, according to the Capacity Dashboard, FCPS is now projecting Chantilly at 98% capacity in 2029-30, so moving kids around to reduce Chantilly's enrollment may be less of an issue that some assume.

I think they will. Oak Hill and Coates can shift.

Forestville could also shift from Langley to Herndon and Forest Edge (closer) from South Lakes to Langley. In five years they don't expect Chantilly to be overcrowded, but they expect Herndon to be at only 69%. Or they could sit tight.

Lots of possibilities.

Lots of possibilities that are going to upset almost all residents. Do you really think Forest Edge wants to move to Langley? Seriously? Again, going from IB to AP. So, you want to move one group that probably is satisfied where they are just because the demographics are worse? And, move a group that wants to stay at Langley just because it is wealthier?
THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE KIDS.

You sure get a lot more excited about changes affecting one school than about all the other unsolicited changes tossed out here that would affect other schools.

I do understand, as you note, that one group wants to stay at Langley because it’s wealthier, but the SB may decide that’s insufficient reason if a closer school now has space. Guess we’ll see as nothing has been decided yet.

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Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

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Interesting piece criticizing the BRAC appointments and process:

https://ednewsva.org/letter-fairfax-school-boundary-review-plagued-by-legal-issues-ideological-bias/

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting piece criticizing the BRAC appointments and process:

https://ednewsva.org/letter-fairfax-school-boundary-review-plagued-by-legal-issues-ideological-bias/

Wow. She makes some good points that I had not considered. I found the part of this being exempt from FOIA being very troubling.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting piece criticizing the BRAC appointments and process:

https://ednewsva.org/letter-fairfax-school-boundary-review-plagued-by-legal-issues-ideological-bias/

Wow. She makes some good points that I had not considered. I found the part of this being exempt from FOIA being very troubling.

Asking for the meetings to be open is insane.

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I listened to the sessions that FairFACTS Matters and then the Great Falls Citizens Association had with Robyn Lady earlier this year. The references to Herndon from Langley-zoned parents were quite disparaging.

Well, this statement intrigued me, so I googled and found the GFCA webinar with Robyn Lady. I heard nothing disparaging. I did hear lots of concerns about the shift, but not like that.

At one point, Robyn Lady brought up the demographics as the reason the school is rated lower. Someone did ask about the safety stats. The moderator mentioned (I am paraphrasing) that they might consider addressing that issue before shifting kids.
I've stated on this thread before that I have never heard anyone address fixing the problem at the struggling schools rather than covering it up with higher SES scoring kids.

Lady also mentioned that the teachers prefer teaching upper level classes. I did not hear anyone ask a question about how the school plans to staff the schools that get more kids as a result of boundary lines. (Teachers generally do not like being reassigned against their will.)

What about the insulting question "Does Herndon even meet the minimal requirements to offer AP courses"? Like really?

DP.

Oh my vapors.

You have boundary change proponents on here spewing racial slurs like they’re back in the 50s, but you’re upset at that question? Such transparently faux outrage.

The “boundary change proponents“ aren’t spewing racial slurs. In some instances they are ascribing views to Langley posters based on their past conduct and statements.

You aren’t fooling anyone, including the School Board, by suggesting otherwise. They know very well by now what you’re all about.

DP. But that is false, and everyone knows this. Langley posters aren't making racist statements, you are simply fabricating this (lying) to further your narrative. All we've said is that we do not want to switch schools. There is nothing at all racist about wanting to remain at a school rather than change. There's also nothing racist about comparing the test scores at both schools. It's people like you who are determined to make this into a racial issue when it is not.

What’s the comparison with kids of similar race? How are the white kids scores at Herndon? Asian?

It isn’t as simple as looking at overall scores and data.

Once again: it is YOU who is focused on race. Thanks for proving the point.

And why shouldn’t a parent focus on race? It is another factor when thinking about an environment.

I think is misguided, but I guess no objection from me if you want to focus on race. I was raised to believe in the fundamental principles of MLK to worry about content of one’s character, not skin color, but it seems that you disagree.

it is particularly pernicious for posters to outright lie by repeatedly claiming without evidence that Langley families are racist or posting racist things, when in reality it’s the exact opposite.

Langley posters will go to the mat to avoid sending their kids to a school with any significant number of Hispanic kids. MLK would be among the first to call you out were he alive today.

You are the literal embodiment of a race baiter.

Anyone can go back through this thread and see that you are the only one bringing up race. It’s clearly not Langley posters. 🙄

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At this point, I think it’s time to start reporting the race baiters. They make up
the vast majority of this thread.

LOL.

For context, here's a snippet of Robyn Lady's meeting with Langley parents back in June where you can hear them jeer when Robyn says that every school in FCPS offers a good education.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8V6Aest5Nx/

Thank you for posting this video. It clearly shows how utterly unprepared and out of her depth Robyn Lady is. She doesn't know the answers to any of the questions she's asked. Yet, you insist on making this about race. Every school in FCPS does NOT offer a good education, and to claim otherwise makes you look idiotic.

Woman: "Why do we have a school that has 500+ incidents of behavior, when Langley has ten? (Shows VDOE data on screen)
Robyn Lady: "Are there probably more incidents at Herndon? Yes. It's a different demographic."

What do you think she's means by this? We'll wait while you spin something up.

Note this is a heavily edited video to suit a particular agenda.

The above conversation was transcribed verbatim from the audio of the video. It kind of sounds like YOU are promoting a particular agenda.

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I listened to the sessions that FairFACTS Matters and then the Great Falls Citizens Association had with Robyn Lady earlier this year. The references to Herndon from Langley-zoned parents were quite disparaging.

Well, this statement intrigued me, so I googled and found the GFCA webinar with Robyn Lady. I heard nothing disparaging. I did hear lots of concerns about the shift, but not like that.

At one point, Robyn Lady brought up the demographics as the reason the school is rated lower. Someone did ask about the safety stats. The moderator mentioned (I am paraphrasing) that they might consider addressing that issue before shifting kids.
I've stated on this thread before that I have never heard anyone address fixing the problem at the struggling schools rather than covering it up with higher SES scoring kids.

Lady also mentioned that the teachers prefer teaching upper level classes. I did not hear anyone ask a question about how the school plans to staff the schools that get more kids as a result of boundary lines. (Teachers generally do not like being reassigned against their will.)

What about the insulting question "Does Herndon even meet the minimal requirements to offer AP courses"? Like really?

DP.

Oh my vapors.

You have boundary change proponents on here spewing racial slurs like they’re back in the 50s, but you’re upset at that question? Such transparently faux outrage.

The “boundary change proponents“ aren’t spewing racial slurs. In some instances they are ascribing views to Langley posters based on their past conduct and statements.

You aren’t fooling anyone, including the School Board, by suggesting otherwise. They know very well by now what you’re all about.

DP. But that is false, and everyone knows this. Langley posters aren't making racist statements, you are simply fabricating this (lying) to further your narrative. All we've said is that we do not want to switch schools. There is nothing at all racist about wanting to remain at a school rather than change. There's also nothing racist about comparing the test scores at both schools. It's people like you who are determined to make this into a racial issue when it is not.

What’s the comparison with kids of similar race? How are the white kids scores at Herndon? Asian?

It isn’t as simple as looking at overall scores and data.

Once again: it is YOU who is focused on race. Thanks for proving the point.

And why shouldn’t a parent focus on race? It is another factor when thinking about an environment.

I think is misguided, but I guess no objection from me if you want to focus on race. I was raised to believe in the fundamental principles of MLK to worry about content of one’s character, not skin color, but it seems that you disagree.

it is particularly pernicious for posters to outright lie by repeatedly claiming without evidence that Langley families are racist or posting racist things, when in reality it’s the exact opposite.

Langley posters will go to the mat to avoid sending their kids to a school with any significant number of Hispanic kids. MLK would be among the first to call you out were he alive today.

You are the literal embodiment of a race baiter.

Anyone can go back through this thread and see that you are the only one bringing up race. It’s clearly not Langley posters. 🙄

OK, so Langley posters don’t mind brown people as long as they aren’t lower income brown people. Fine.

So why should rich residents (of all colors) who live in Great Falls or Herndon get priority for Langley HS over lower income brown people who live in apartments much closer to Langley HS?

What makes Langley so great that you are asking why "lower income brown people" aren't getting priority for it?

Be for real. Look at the building. The clubs. The test scores. College admissions

DP. Herndon also has a nice new building. Why doesn't it have comparable clubs, test scores, and college admissions? Be specific.

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I listened to the sessions that FairFACTS Matters and then the Great Falls Citizens Association had with Robyn Lady earlier this year. The references to Herndon from Langley-zoned parents were quite disparaging.

Well, this statement intrigued me, so I googled and found the GFCA webinar with Robyn Lady. I heard nothing disparaging. I did hear lots of concerns about the shift, but not like that.

At one point, Robyn Lady brought up the demographics as the reason the school is rated lower. Someone did ask about the safety stats. The moderator mentioned (I am paraphrasing) that they might consider addressing that issue before shifting kids.
I've stated on this thread before that I have never heard anyone address fixing the problem at the struggling schools rather than covering it up with higher SES scoring kids.

Lady also mentioned that the teachers prefer teaching upper level classes. I did not hear anyone ask a question about how the school plans to staff the schools that get more kids as a result of boundary lines. (Teachers generally do not like being reassigned against their will.)

What about the insulting question "Does Herndon even meet the minimal requirements to offer AP courses"? Like really?

DP.

Oh my vapors.

You have boundary change proponents on here spewing racial slurs like they’re back in the 50s, but you’re upset at that question? Such transparently faux outrage.

The “boundary change proponents“ aren’t spewing racial slurs. In some instances they are ascribing views to Langley posters based on their past conduct and statements.

You aren’t fooling anyone, including the School Board, by suggesting otherwise. They know very well by now what you’re all about.

DP. But that is false, and everyone knows this. Langley posters aren't making racist statements, you are simply fabricating this (lying) to further your narrative. All we've said is that we do not want to switch schools. There is nothing at all racist about wanting to remain at a school rather than change. There's also nothing racist about comparing the test scores at both schools. It's people like you who are determined to make this into a racial issue when it is not.

What’s the comparison with kids of similar race? How are the white kids scores at Herndon? Asian?

It isn’t as simple as looking at overall scores and data.

Once again: it is YOU who is focused on race. Thanks for proving the point.

And why shouldn’t a parent focus on race? It is another factor when thinking about an environment.

I think is misguided, but I guess no objection from me if you want to focus on race. I was raised to believe in the fundamental principles of MLK to worry about content of one’s character, not skin color, but it seems that you disagree.

it is particularly pernicious for posters to outright lie by repeatedly claiming without evidence that Langley families are racist or posting racist things, when in reality it’s the exact opposite.

Langley posters will go to the mat to avoid sending their kids to a school with any significant number of Hispanic kids. MLK would be among the first to call you out were he alive today.

You are the literal embodiment of a race baiter.

Anyone can go back through this thread and see that you are the only one bringing up race. It’s clearly not Langley posters. 🙄

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At this point, I think it’s time to start reporting the race baiters. They make up
the vast majority of this thread.

LOL.

For context, here's a snippet of Robyn Lady's meeting with Langley parents back in June where you can hear them jeer when Robyn says that every school in FCPS offers a good education.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8V6Aest5Nx/

OMG, you found the smoking gun. Surely anyone who thinks there is variability among the Fcps schools is a die hard racist. 🙄

The jeering isn't cool, and you know it.

And the guy badgering Lady with leading questions and interrupting her as she tried to respond probably made quite an impression, although perhaps not the one you'd want to leave.

DP. What you see as "jeering," I see as correctly calling out. The people in that audience are not stupid. Don't try and pretend "every school in FCPS offers a good education." That's BS and deserves to be called out.

I think Herndon High can certainly offer a fine education to students. That is clearly the context both in which Robyn made the remark back in June and in which she was jeered.

This video was brought up in the first place as supposed evidence that Langley families are racist. Even if we take your account of the jeers as true, there is an incredibly large gap between believing schools are different and being racist. You assume a motive that frankly just isn’t there. The racism only exists in your mind’s eye. And I feel confident in saying that it’s likely just one poster who is going to the mats on trying to prove that all of Langley consists of racist people solely because we want our kids to go to the schools in our current pyramid.

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The accusations of "racism" are comical at this point.

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Paraphrasing Robyn Lady: "All schools are good. It is the policy that is bad."

Please explain this to me. If all schools are good, has she ever heard "if it's not broke, don't fix it.?"

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone stopped to factor in the reality that the school age population is shrinking? By 2030 enrollment is expected to be 6% below 2020 levels (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/PES/section-1.asp ).

Seems like a lot of effort to create a situation where there will be plenty of space in most schools in 5 years. Just work to put the right resources where they are needed.

But I get it boundary changes get everyone distracted from the real issues.

We’re going to see this reflected in the upcoming CIP projections for Langley, Cooper, and McLean. It’s going to make it really hard to do the big moves that some people on this forum are looking for.

They’ll still be projecting a big disparity between Lewis and West Springfield in terms of enrollment, so if they do decide to address that they’ll be left with a political dilemma if they were to move WSHS who live close to that school to Lewis but leave kids much closer to Herndon at Langley.

As noted earlier in the thread, they could always pull back, clean up some ES islands and split feeders with minimal changes to MS/HS assignments, and declare victory.

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In addition to doing whatever is necessary to improve the schools where test scores are lagging. Importing UMC kids as a bandaid will do nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting piece criticizing the BRAC appointments and process:

https://ednewsva.org/letter-fairfax-school-boundary-review-plagued-by-legal-issues-ideological-bias/

Wow. She makes some good points that I had not considered. I found the part of this being exempt from FOIA being very troubling.

Can you still FOIA materials that FCPS shares with or receives from the BRAC? I understand the argument that you can’t FOIA the BRAC directly.