Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that the accomplices are still out and about? And obviously rather sophisticated if they disabled a strong alarm system, subdued a large dog and so far, appear to have disappeared?

Yes! I doubt wint would of been able to disable an alarm/security system in such a way the alarm and police weren't notified when it was disabled. Maybe youtube walked him through it but I doubt it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe there is much more evidence of which we are not aware. He was in the house, what 18 hours?

There may be hairs, skin cells, etc that he left behind.

He would have needed to use the bathroom as well.

Bags of evidence were removed from a residence in Lanham.
Maybe they were able to obtain clothes he was wearing at the scene, which would contain a wealth of evidence.
The burned out car may still contain fibers, hairs, etc.

I'm sure there's lots more, it just has not been made available to the public.

I think they released the information about the pizza crust DNA because they needed to alert the community that: THIS IS THE GUY, FIND HIM.

Now they can gather the rest of the evidence that will be used against him in court.

He spent some of the money on a cab, pretty powerful evidence. And some people, like his girlfriend, are cooperating. There may also be more video from other locations.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On an uplifting note -- My friend's son just graduated from Mercersburg with Abigail S. She was there, she had extended family with her, and the ceremony included a moment of silence to honor her parents and brother, and Vera. There were tears. And yet she was able to smile when she received her diploma.

DDW took four lives but this is evidence that he won't succeed in destroying at least this one more. May the Savopoulos daughters, and Vera's children and husband, have the strength of Irma Goff to face whatever else life throws their way.

Thanks for sharing this with us. Beautiful.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that the accomplices are still out and about? And obviously rather sophisticated if they disabled a strong alarm system, subdued a large dog and so far, appear to have disappeared?

Yes! I doubt wint would of been able to disable an alarm/security system in such a way the alarm and police weren't notified when it was disabled. Maybe youtube walked him through it but I doubt it

I remember reading somewhere that at times the alarm system wasn't turned on. There's also the possibility that he forced his way in on a ruse. Some have theorized the killers were wearing green vests similar to what road workers in the area were wearing as a ruse to get someone to open the door. Vests were found in the garage and a partially burned one in the Porsche.

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Anonymous wrote:Physical evidence of some kind in the Porsche would be nice. Circumstantially, finding him in possession of vast quantities of bills in same denomination as the BOA stash is fairly damning. That he fled to NYC immediately thereafter (before his identity was released to the world) looks rather incriminating. I know we live in a post-OJ trial world, but I feel optimistic. Moreover, you just can't spend 19 hours in a house torturing people without dropping hairs, skin cells, dirty tissues, etc. in my opinion.

Porsche was burnt pretty good but i do remember seeing a partially burned green vest they were asking people in the area about. The money the can say they found or a million other excuses, I highly doubt he would be convicted of murder for having money that they can't prove where he got it. His gf lived in NYC so I wouldn't think it's unreasonable to go see her? As for the house, the hair, skin, anything there, he could easily say "Savvas invited me over to look at the house and give him a quote to paint it and he got me a pizza or whatever he might make up" but there is noway to prove that didn't happen now.

One thing that is curious is where did he go after he left the house? House on fire @1:15 and the car was burning at 5:30 with a green vest in it. Where did he go that he had to blend in with that vest? I read somewhere that Savvas had a box of these green safety vests in the garage to wear when he went on the the work sites. I wonder if Wint went to one of Savvas worksites after? He went somewhere because there is a 4hr gap

he could say many stupid, implausible things, but will the jury believe stupid implausible statements? I "highly doubt" that. Then again, maybe I'm too optimistic, and you have a better understanding of DC jurors' tolerance for stupid and implausible.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that the accomplices are still out and about? And obviously rather sophisticated if they disabled a strong alarm system, subdued a large dog and so far, appear to have disappeared?

Yes! I doubt wint would of been able to disable an alarm/security system in such a way the alarm and police weren't notified when it was disabled. Maybe youtube walked him through it but I doubt it

I remember reading somewhere that at times the alarm system wasn't turned on. There's also the possibility that he forced his way in on a ruse. Some have theorized the killers were wearing green vests similar to what road workers in the area were wearing as a ruse to get someone to open the door. Vests were found in the garage and a partially burned one in the Porsche.

The cameras were turned off. Cameras don't shut off when you punch in your disarm code at the door to disarm the house alarm. The cameras were manually turned off and the DVR had to off been taken because they could retrieve the info off of it of what happened before the cameras were shut off. The security systems(dvr racks, etc) on these types of homes are usually located in the basement.

[Anonymous]

we don't know that the DNA from pizza crust (and water bottle) is all that the police have. they may well have more physical evidence that we are not yet aware of. it is possible that people are talking, too, so they may have more evidence from "witnesses" and others that we don't know about.

I think they will find a way to nail Wint for this. It certainly seems like they are willing to pull out all the stops so I think someone will be able to find a way to get him convicted and sentenced. Will he talk? I kind of doubt it...it's not like they'd give him a break if he did talk so what would be the advantage of talking for him besides bringing his accomplice(s) down with him? Who knows maybe he would want to turn his accomplice(s) in, I don't think there's any way for me or anyone besides Wint himself to predict what he'll do because he is such an erratically behaving, cold-hearted person...whether or not he will talk could go either way.

I'm sure he and his lawyer will try to come up with every defense. Maybe they'll try to explain why his DNA was found at the murder scene as others have noted (walked by and saw pizza on steps, ate a slice, left the crust, etc.) But I don't see them being able to get him off the hook w/ that, since they also have the water bottle, the cash he was found with, the fact that he ran off to NYC, paid 1000K for a cab back to DC (no one would travel that way except a seriously high roller, which he obviously is not, or a criminal). Even if all these are small things that don't explicitly tie him to the murders/arson, I tend to optimistically believe that if they already have all of this info, they must have more as well. The trial may be long and difficult but the truth will come out, he will be convicted. I have no doubt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that the accomplices are still out and about? And obviously rather sophisticated if they disabled a strong alarm system, subdued a large dog and so far, appear to have disappeared?

Yes! I doubt wint would of been able to disable an alarm/security system in such a way the alarm and police weren't notified when it was disabled. Maybe youtube walked him through it but I doubt it

I remember reading somewhere that at times the alarm system wasn't turned on. There's also the possibility that he forced his way in on a ruse. Some have theorized the killers were wearing green vests similar to what road workers in the area were wearing as a ruse to get someone to open the door. Vests were found in the garage and a partially burned one in the Porsche.

The cameras were turned off. Cameras don't shut off when you punch in your disarm code at the door to disarm the house alarm. The cameras were manually turned off and the DVR had to off been taken because they could retrieve the info off of it of what happened before the cameras were shut off. The security systems(dvr racks, etc) on these types of homes are usually located in the basement.

The reason I believe someone knew or had knowledge of this type of system and how to disable it is because of the news showing the investigators on ladders up taking the covers off of the cameras to see if there was an actual camera behind the cover(some people put up dummy cameras to deter criminals). That tells me there was no dvr left. Wint possibly had the dvr in his bucket?

[Anonymous]

didn't the police previously state that, in addition to the pizza crust evidence, they had also obtained a video from a security camera? Do we know if that was a camera from inside the house, somewhere else in the neighborhood/ a neighbors' camera, a traffic camera that spotted the perp in the Porsche?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:didn't the police previously state that, in addition to the pizza crust evidence, they had also obtained a video from a security camera? Do we know if that was a camera from inside the house, somewhere else in the neighborhood/ a neighbors' camera, a traffic camera that spotted the perp in the Porsche?

the video was the person of interest running with the bucket

[Anonymous]

Somebody must have seen that Porsche between 1:30 and 5:30 on 5/14. Unless he parked there, left to go get accelerant & gas & whatever one torches a Porsche with (held in a handy bucket), and then came back at 5:30?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:didn't the police previously state that, in addition to the pizza crust evidence, they had also obtained a video from a security camera? Do we know if that was a camera from inside the house, somewhere else in the neighborhood/ a neighbors' camera, a traffic camera that spotted the perp in the Porsche?

the video was the person of interest running with the bucket

no, sorry, I meant to say in addition to that video of the person running w/ the bucket from the church parking lot. I could have sworn I read a story a few days ago mentioning this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somebody must have seen that Porsche between 1:30 and 5:30 on 5/14. Unless he parked there, left to go get accelerant & gas & whatever one torches a Porsche with (held in a handy bucket), and then came back at 5:30?

Whatever that was in the bucket was something substantial or he would not of taken it. Gas, matches, or whatever he would of just let burn in the car imo. I did hear through the grapevine that the police found the bucket at his house.

[Anonymous]

From what i've seen the family had a million $ art collection in the house, a Bentley in the garage, and Porsche that ended up on the street in the front of the house. Yes, a "nice" neighborhood but I still find it hard to believe there is no footage somewhere/somehow of the perps entering the house. Aren't many of these alarms set to have a second alarm go directly to the receiving station if the codes aren't punched in via a particular sequence? After 19 hours in the house I am certain there is DNA all over the place, including the bathrooms, door frames, door knobs, banister, alarm system(s) etc. Even in a partially burned house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somebody must have seen that Porsche between 1:30 and 5:30 on 5/14. Unless he parked there, left to go get accelerant & gas & whatever one torches a Porsche with (held in a handy bucket), and then came back at 5:30?

Wasn't there a witness that said they saw a man in a green vest driving the Porsche erratically and the person had well groomed hair(probably referring to wint's corn rows or dreadlocks, whatever you call them)