NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

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Anonymous wrote:There is no use in arguing with this person. Parks Service would never do this, it would probably invite an ADA lawsuit FI they did and if there’s not enough money to repair the sea wall, then anything else is wishful thinking.

Yup. I juat don't like thw disenguity. The big irony is that cars are also needed for all the casual and kid bikers while lowering the speed limit further would be opposed by the wannabe racing types.

Indeed. It’s complete shallow self interest and I agree that it’s very annoying. But I think what gets revealed is that they think speed limits and other traffic laws should only apply to cars but not to them. Further extension of the entirely self-serving belief system these people have cultivated among themselves.

oh right, and your desire to drive and park everywhere to the exclusion of anyone else is totally generous!

on the one hand, I’m saying that the park needs to be updates for pedestrians and bikes, and limit car access to the bare minimum needed for access, install speed bumps to keep cars at 15mph. On the other hand you want … to be able to have exclusive use of the roads for parking and driving.

Do you agree that if there is a 15 mph limit for cars that it should also apply to bikes and that Park Police should enforce the limit equally against both cars and bikes?

No, because bikes aren’t deadly the way cars are. That would be a waste of traffic enforcement resources.

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

It’s very typical of bikers, who consider themselves exceptional both morally and legally. What a joke.

Y’all need to learn some responsibility. If you want public right of way it comes with public obligations. I honestly wish you arrogant and selfish bikers would move to your bike utopias because you will soon find out that in other parts of the world they take enforcement seriously and fine cyclists large sums for breaking the law.

Can we stipulate that a bike has never killed anyone on Haines Point whereas a car killed two pedestrians this year there, plus additional bike crashes.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no use in arguing with this person. Parks Service would never do this, it would probably invite an ADA lawsuit FI they did and if there’s not enough money to repair the sea wall, then anything else is wishful thinking.

Yup. I juat don't like thw disenguity. The big irony is that cars are also needed for all the casual and kid bikers while lowering the speed limit further would be opposed by the wannabe racing types.

Indeed. It’s complete shallow self interest and I agree that it’s very annoying. But I think what gets revealed is that they think speed limits and other traffic laws should only apply to cars but not to them. Further extension of the entirely self-serving belief system these people have cultivated among themselves.

oh right, and your desire to drive and park everywhere to the exclusion of anyone else is totally generous!

on the one hand, I’m saying that the park needs to be updates for pedestrians and bikes, and limit car access to the bare minimum needed for access, install speed bumps to keep cars at 15mph. On the other hand you want … to be able to have exclusive use of the roads for parking and driving.

Do you agree that if there is a 15 mph limit for cars that it should also apply to bikes and that Park Police should enforce the limit equally against both cars and bikes?

No, because bikes aren’t deadly the way cars are. That would be a waste of traffic enforcement resources.

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

It’s very typical of bikers, who consider themselves exceptional both morally and legally. What a joke.

Y’all need to learn some responsibility. If you want public right of way it comes with public obligations. I honestly wish you arrogant and selfish bikers would move to your bike utopias because you will soon find out that in other parts of the world they take enforcement seriously and fine cyclists large sums for breaking the law.

Can we stipulate that a bike has never killed anyone on Haines Point whereas a car killed two pedestrians this year there, plus additional bike crashes.

Absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

[Anonymous]

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Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

Yes according to physics. A modern car with it's broad face and relatively soft material is specifically designed to disperse the force of an impact. Conversely a bicycle with it's hard material and point like shape directs and amplifies the force of the impact. In addition gears, chains and spokes are pointy and exposed while cars internal components are contained. In addition, a car can stop pretty easily and quickly at 15 mph while a bicycle cannot. Lastly, a driver is more able to suddenly swerve to try and avoid the collision where a bicyclist cannot without losing control.

[Anonymous]

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Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

This is an argument for having separate bike infrastructure in the park. Right now pedestrians are forced onto the road with cars and bikes. And of course although bikes can cause harm, it’s many orders of magnitude less than cars.

As a side note, calling bike riders “absolute sociopaths” does not lend you much credibility. It makes you seem rather … fixated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

So, that happened in 2017. This happened just last weekend: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-with-murder-dui-in-fatal-crash-near-logan-circle/2021/06/14/9486c854-cd26-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html

One driver killed a man who was on a sidewalk next to a bus shelter, another driver critically injured a 3-year-old girl (after first hitting a parked car).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

Yes according to physics. A modern car with it's broad face and relatively soft material is specifically designed to disperse the force of an impact. Conversely a bicycle with it's hard material and point like shape directs and amplifies the force of the impact. In addition gears, chains and spokes are pointy and exposed while cars internal components are contained. In addition, a car can stop pretty easily and quickly at 15 mph while a bicycle cannot. Lastly, a driver is more able to suddenly swerve to try and avoid the collision where a bicyclist cannot without losing control.

oookay. this must be why there’s an absolute epidemic of bikes killing pedestrians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

Who is "you people?" I'm not a cyclist, I'm a pedestrian, but I'm also not an idiot, so I know I'd rather bit hit by someone going 15 MPH on a bike than someone going 15 MPH on a car. Any road death is tragic, but if we're just going to link to random traffic deaths, I can do a bunch for cars, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

Yes according to physics. A modern car with it's broad face and relatively soft material is specifically designed to disperse the force of an impact. Conversely a bicycle with it's hard material and point like shape directs and amplifies the force of the impact. In addition gears, chains and spokes are pointy and exposed while cars internal components are contained. In addition, a car can stop pretty easily and quickly at 15 mph while a bicycle cannot. Lastly, a driver is more able to suddenly swerve to try and avoid the collision where a bicyclist cannot without losing control.

Can you please write out the equation that shows that the force of a collision between a pedestrian and a 3,000 pound car is less than the force of a collision between a pedestrian and a 200 pound bicycle+cyclist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

This is an argument for having separate bike infrastructure in the park. Right now pedestrians are forced onto the road with cars and bikes. And of course although bikes can cause harm, it’s many orders of magnitude less than cars.

As a side note, calling bike riders “absolute sociopaths” does not lend you much credibility. It makes you seem rather … fixated.

It’s the point that bikes when they do not obey traffics rules can and do routinely cause injury to people and also death. Obey the rules of the road and people don’t get killed. If you cannot and refuse to do so and willingly put others at risk, you are a sociopath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

Yes according to physics. A modern car with it's broad face and relatively soft material is specifically designed to disperse the force of an impact. Conversely a bicycle with it's hard material and point like shape directs and amplifies the force of the impact. In addition gears, chains and spokes are pointy and exposed while cars internal components are contained. In addition, a car can stop pretty easily and quickly at 15 mph while a bicycle cannot. Lastly, a driver is more able to suddenly swerve to try and avoid the collision where a bicyclist cannot without losing control.

Actually what those broad faces seem to be specifically designed to do is: kill pedestrians.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/the-hidden-dangers-of-big-trucks/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

Who is "you people?" I'm not a cyclist, I'm a pedestrian, but I'm also not an idiot, so I know I'd rather bit hit by someone going 15 MPH on a bike than someone going 15 MPH on a car. Any road death is tragic, but if we're just going to link to random traffic deaths, I can do a bunch for cars, you know.

Your argument is that bikes should not have to follow traffic laws like other road users because it’s an acceptable risk to be hit by a biker behaving negligently. That’s sociopathic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

This is an argument for having separate bike infrastructure in the park. Right now pedestrians are forced onto the road with cars and bikes. And of course although bikes can cause harm, it’s many orders of magnitude less than cars.

As a side note, calling bike riders “absolute sociopaths” does not lend you much credibility. It makes you seem rather … fixated.

It’s the point that bikes when they do not obey traffics rules can and do routinely cause injury to people and also death. Obey the rules of the road and people don’t get killed. If you cannot and refuse to do so and willingly put others at risk, you are a sociopath.

ok. again pls show me the stats showing bicycles are so deadly to pedestrians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

Who is "you people?" I'm not a cyclist, I'm a pedestrian, but I'm also not an idiot, so I know I'd rather bit hit by someone going 15 MPH on a bike than someone going 15 MPH on a car. Any road death is tragic, but if we're just going to link to random traffic deaths, I can do a bunch for cars, you know.

Your argument is that bikes should not have to follow traffic laws like other road users because it’s an acceptable risk to be hit by a biker behaving negligently. That’s sociopathic.

They should follow any posted speed limits. Traffic enforcement should focus on the biggest risks, generally speeding cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

Who is "you people?" I'm not a cyclist, I'm a pedestrian, but I'm also not an idiot, so I know I'd rather bit hit by someone going 15 MPH on a bike than someone going 15 MPH on a car. Any road death is tragic, but if we're just going to link to random traffic deaths, I can do a bunch for cars, you know.

Your argument is that bikes should not have to follow traffic laws like other road users because it’s an acceptable risk to be hit by a biker behaving negligently. That’s sociopathic.

I never said that you illiterate potato. You're confusing me with someone else, and even they didn't say that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course you don't want the rules to apply to you

By the way, a 15 mph bicycle with all it's pointy metal bits and directed energy is more dangerous than a 15 mph broad, blunt and plastic car.

Not according to the laws of physics (specifically F=ma), it's not.

+1. I can't believe someone thinking that "bluntness" means a car is less dangerous despite being like 20 times more massive.

You people are absolute sociopaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-man-charged-in-bicycle-accident-that-killed-kiplinger-editor/2017/04/13/bd2f2e1e-1f91-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

This is an argument for having separate bike infrastructure in the park. Right now pedestrians are forced onto the road with cars and bikes. And of course although bikes can cause harm, it’s many orders of magnitude less than cars.

As a side note, calling bike riders “absolute sociopaths” does not lend you much credibility. It makes you seem rather … fixated.

It’s the point that bikes when they do not obey traffics rules can and do routinely cause injury to people and also death. Obey the rules of the road and people don’t get killed. If you cannot and refuse to do so and willingly put others at risk, you are a sociopath.

ok. again pls show me the stats showing bicycles are so deadly to pedestrians?

What are you talking about stats? One death is too many. This is not some risk assessment. As I already said, the fact that you think it’s an acceptable risk to disobey traffic rules when there is risk of injury and death to others is sociopathic by definition.