Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

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Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.

You mean like the lead singer of Maroon 5 did in last year's show? Here's the video, and he removes his shirt around 12:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwkhEqVq4s

That’s nasty too!! Why must the NFL claim to be for families. I posted this already but they donate to schools, they put programs to be role models for kids.

Not everyone is a pearl clutcher. Please. I’m Hispanic and again they look good but like pp said they made choices to sell sex as their performance. They are hot, look great and are talented. They really don’t need to pole dance, grabs their grotch to prove it. What was the tongue thing, imitating oral sex?

What?! No. It was a nod to her Lebanese roots. JC lady.

Seriously. She was ululating. PP’s mind is in the gutter.

People Shakira was born in colombia and raised Colombian. She later on got into her 23 and me, ancestry touting her Lesbanese roots but please she was not raised that way. She was a rock artist that had black hair and wore pale makeup. I followed her then on televisa (a mtv like channel), until she sold out. Also most Lesbanese women don’t dance like that. It’s routinely low class that perform for the rich.

Second JLO is a huge hypocrite. She sends her daughter to sacred heart catholic school in Miami!! Then she empowers the other girls of the low denominator to to aspire to dance like a slut. Yes they look good, but it’s not empowering. Shakira is classier than JLO. And JLO is the worst.

Is this boarding school? I thought they live in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

Ask him what he thinks the performers should have been wearing instead to show their talents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.

You mean like the lead singer of Maroon 5 did in last year's show? Here's the video, and he removes his shirt around 12:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwkhEqVq4s

That’s nasty too!! Why must the NFL claim to be for families. I posted this already but they donate to schools, they put programs to be role models for kids.

Not everyone is a pearl clutcher. Please. I’m Hispanic and again they look good but like pp said they made choices to sell sex as their performance. They are hot, look great and are talented. They really don’t need to pole dance, grabs their grotch to prove it. What was the tongue thing, imitating oral sex?

What?! No. It was a nod to her Lebanese roots. JC lady.

Seriously. She was ululating. PP’s mind is in the gutter.

People Shakira was born in colombia and raised Colombian. She later on got into her 23 and me, ancestry touting her Lesbanese roots but please she was not raised that way. She was a rock artist that had black hair and wore pale makeup. I followed her then on televisa (a mtv like channel), until she sold out. Also most Lesbanese women don’t dance like that. It’s routinely low class that perform for the rich.

Second JLO is a huge hypocrite. She sends her daughter to sacred heart catholic school in Miami!! Then she empowers the other girls of the low denominator to to aspire to dance like a slut. Yes they look good, but it’s not empowering. Shakira is classier than JLO. And JLO is the worst.

Is this boarding school? I thought they live in NYC.

Ojos asi was released in 1999. Just saying.

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Anonymous wrote:The half time show should be kid friendly. Thought she came across as a slutty Beyoncé wanna be

Both JLo and Shakira have been around doing their thing long before anyone knew who Beyoncé was. sorry.

I have a feeling if the singers were Taylor Swift and Katy Perry in the same outfits, PP would have no problem with it.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.

You mean like the lead singer of Maroon 5 did in last year's show? Here's the video, and he removes his shirt around 12:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwkhEqVq4s

That’s nasty too!! Why must the NFL claim to be for families. I posted this already but they donate to schools, they put programs to be role models for kids.

Not everyone is a pearl clutcher. Please. I’m Hispanic and again they look good but like pp said they made choices to sell sex as their performance. They are hot, look great and are talented. They really don’t need to pole dance, grabs their grotch to prove it. What was the tongue thing, imitating oral sex?

What?! No. It was a nod to her Lebanese roots. JC lady.

Seriously. She was ululating. PP’s mind is in the gutter.

People Shakira was born in colombia and raised Colombian. She later on got into her 23 and me, ancestry touting her Lesbanese roots but please she was not raised that way. She was a rock artist that had black hair and wore pale makeup. I followed her then on televisa (a mtv like channel), until she sold out. Also most Lesbanese women don’t dance like that. It’s routinely low class that perform for the rich.

Second JLO is a huge hypocrite. She sends her daughter to sacred heart catholic school in Miami!! Then she empowers the other girls of the low denominator to to aspire to dance like a slut. Yes they look good, but it’s not empowering. Shakira is classier than JLO. And JLO is the worst.

Is this boarding school? I thought they live in NYC.

No they live in Miami. It’s a conservative private school.

[Anonymous]

I missed it but my family told me it was like a cabaret. Sorry, Girl power is something different, not this cheesy show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone just please answer me one question- why is watching women scantily clad dancing provocatively an empowering thing? I don't see the connection.

My question to you is why do you find it threatening?

You see scantily clad women.

I see strong women performers that have earned their rightful place in the music industry over the past 2 decades.

Women that are beautiful, talented, sexy, smart and driven and don't need to hide themselves in anyway to prove it. Women who have faced judgement, tabloid rumors. Women who have worked hard in their careers in a male dominated field. Women that are mothers, daughters, and sisters. Women who don't hide their heritage and stand on a stage in front of the world and proudly give their fans an amazing performance. Women who don't feel shame for being women.

I don't find it threatening. I am merely questioning. When you're raising young daughters trying to teach them that the world shouldn't view them as sex objects and then you have performers dancing on poles, you've got to wonder what is empowering about it. Yes, it's entertaining for adults but when you're trying to explain to kids why the singer is bending over provocatively and having the male singer simulating smacking her ass, it's a bit challenging.

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Anonymous wrote:Pole dancing? Why??

my 17yr old asked if she was a stripper

Maybe they should stay out of strip clubs and learn about Mallakhamba.

Don't care what you call it, I don't care to see it.

Then don't look. Just get blinders, ear plugs andother senses dulling paraphernalia and enjoy your bubble.

Hate when female performers don't wear pants or a skirt, just a personal preference. We get it you're hot with a rockin' bod and your bedazzled pantyliner!
They both dance really well but I'm partial to Shakira and her belly dancing because it's novel. Enjoyed the show until I had to take a side trip to the gyno and strip club/mallakhamba/whatever with JLo. It got good again when her daughter sang.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone just please answer me one question- why is watching women scantily clad dancing provocatively an empowering thing? I don't see the connection.

My question to you is why do you find it threatening?

You see scantily clad women.

I see strong women performers that have earned their rightful place in the music industry over the past 2 decades.

Women that are beautiful, talented, sexy, smart and driven and don't need to hide themselves in anyway to prove it. Women who have faced judgement, tabloid rumors. Women who have worked hard in their careers in a male dominated field. Women that are mothers, daughters, and sisters. Women who don't hide their heritage and stand on a stage in front of the world and proudly give their fans an amazing performance. Women who don't feel shame for being women.

+1

I don't find it threatening. I am merely questioning. When you're raising young daughters trying to teach them that the world shouldn't view them as sex objects and then you have performers dancing on poles, you've got to wonder what is empowering about it. Yes, it's entertaining for adults but when you're trying to explain to kids why the singer is bending over provocatively and having the male singer simulating smacking her ass, it's a bit challenging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

[Anonymous]

This whole discussion is why women will never get ahead. We don't even need men to put us down, judge us and diminish our talents, we'll do that ourselves thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

Seriously? YOU are insane.

My kids do not look at them and think sex ... they think athleticism, amazing dancing, great music, fun, entertaining.

Yes, context matters... this was not a stip club, this was a athletic show. She shows how athletic she is, how amazing she can dance and entertain.

Nobody was thinking sex... except for a bunch of boys with moms who have taught them a woman's body is only for sex.

[Anonymous]

This is not "completely different' from NFL football players. They are paid a lot of money to go out in tight pants and potentially injure themselves so others can exploit them or bet money on them.

Much like JLo and Shakira they are paid a lot to exploit their bodies for others, and are all in really good shape so they can do their jobs and people will be entertained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone just please answer me one question- why is watching women scantily clad dancing provocatively an empowering thing? I don't see the connection.

My question to you is why do you find it threatening?

You see scantily clad women.

I see strong women performers that have earned their rightful place in the music industry over the past 2 decades.

Women that are beautiful, talented, sexy, smart and driven and don't need to hide themselves in anyway to prove it. Women who have faced judgement, tabloid rumors. Women who have worked hard in their careers in a male dominated field. Women that are mothers, daughters, and sisters. Women who don't hide their heritage and stand on a stage in front of the world and proudly give their fans an amazing performance. Women who don't feel shame for being women.

I don't find it threatening. I am merely questioning. When you're raising young daughters trying to teach them that the world shouldn't view them as sex objects and then you have performers dancing on poles, you've got to wonder what is empowering about it. Yes, it's entertaining for adults but when you're trying to explain to kids why the singer is bending over provocatively and having the male singer simulating smacking her ass, it's a bit challenging.

You explain to them it is a show and the dancing is very athletic. Pole dancing is really no different than trapeze show or the ribbon show Pink did. Nothing J.LO or Shakira did causes other to view them as sex objects.... that is a learned response that she has learned from her mom since she was also taught that response from her mom.