Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

misses the point. In elementary school AAP, pretty much everyone thrives. Like I've heard about Harvard. Once you get in it isn't that hard. It's the getting in that's hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

misses the point. In elementary school AAP, pretty much everyone thrives. Like I've heard about Harvard. Once you get in it isn't that hard. It's the getting in that's hard.

Perhaps they thrive because the ones who may not have been a good fit there (extremely shy?) have already been excluded.

[Anonymous]

my shy kid would thrive in aap. my child is rule follower. never talks out of turn, never cuts in line, never shouts out answers. doesn't think that is respectful. but when called on, or if my child knew participation was part of the class or doing well, would not hesitate. just not aggressive or outspoken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my shy kid would thrive in aap. my child is rule follower. never talks out of turn, never cuts in line, never shouts out answers. doesn't think that is respectful. but when called on, or if my child knew participation was part of the class or doing well, would not hesitate. just not aggressive or outspoken.

i forgot all the elements on the GBRS - but what about humor, demonstrated curiousity, ability to stay on a difficult taks for a long period of time...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my shy kid would thrive in aap. my child is rule follower. never talks out of turn, never cuts in line, never shouts out answers. doesn't think that is respectful. but when called on, or if my child knew participation was part of the class or doing well, would not hesitate. just not aggressive or outspoken.

Sounds like a great kid who any teacher would be happy to have in class! It may be good for us to emphasize to our children that class participation does count, and that it is important for teachers to know that students have ideas to share.

[Anonymous]

What selection critiria would get Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs or Warren Buffett into Fairfax's AAP when they were at 7 or 8 years old? Will they most likely get a low GBRS but high IQ scores?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt a 130 IQ is the top 2% of students in Fairfax. A 130 IQ child is bright but no usually so or so out of the norm that s/he can't happily learn in general ed. The dc who need AAP are usually much brighter.

It seems that in northern VA a 132 benchmark is met by about 10% according to NNAT cutoff. This year with FxAT, the top 5% of students (95 percentile benchmark) were selected, but in past years CogAT also captured top 10%. Add in say 5% more getting in on appeal with WISC, and you have the approximately 15% being found eligible. To me this makes sense. In other states about 10% are able to receive gifted services. With so many educated families in northern VA, I think it's good to have a higher % in AAP here than in gifted programs in some other places in the nation. Why should kids who would have been found eligible if they lived elsewhere be denied services just b/c they live here? Our population is really skewed. I don't think the level of gen ed is raised all that much by the kids at the top there since those who need more time to learn and have a different learning style still need to be accommodated. To me even 20% in AAP would be reasonable since again it is about 10% nationally.

Good thing you're not in charge. We could have kids being bused all over the county to new centers everywhere. Meanwhile the majority of not-so-gifted kids could just make due with what's left over.

[Anonymous]

Ok...let's be clear, as some of you are still misinformed. The CogAT and NNAT are NOT iq gets. The WISC is an iq test. Only 2% of the population, not just in fcps, have an iq of 130 plus. Please stop treating an actual iq test like the NNAT or CogAT, which can be gamed. The iq test is the only predictor of ACTUAL intelligence. The nnat and CogAT predict how well one will do in so far as achievement. A 130IQ is very superior! End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

A lot of hooey, like so much on this board. My shy child easily got in. Here's the thing, unless your child is off the charts smart you should count yourself lucky of they get in. Anyone else will do fine in a local school, and I think deep down parents know this or there wouldn't be so much angst on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Troll...kid with high NNAT, high GBRS, ok CogAT, and not in.

what were your DCs scores (not %)

Don't know the CogAT score as we were only given percentages. NNAT 138 GBRS 11.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

A lot of hooey, like so much on this board. My shy child easily got in. Here's the thing, unless your child is off the charts smart you should count yourself lucky of they get in. Anyone else will do fine in a local school, and I think deep down parents know this or there wouldn't be so much angst on this board.

The whole process is bs. It should be based on scores and nothing else. Better yet, it should be based on iq. Period

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok...let's be clear, as some of you are still misinformed. The CogAT and NNAT are NOT iq gets. The WISC is an iq test. Only 2% of the population, not just in fcps, have an iq of 130 plus. Please stop treating an actual iq test like the NNAT or CogAT, which can be gamed. The iq test is the only predictor of ACTUAL intelligence. The nnat and CogAT predict how well one will do in so far as achievement. A 130IQ is very superior! End of story.

very superior for what? for performance on an IQ test? so what? proves nothing by itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clearly a child with a high IQ is bright. a child with a high GBRS may not be bright, just liked by the teacher. i guess which would you rather have in the class?

I think though, most teachers try to be "objective" in coming up with the subjective GBRS number. I think the parameters might be a little faulty though. my child is clearly bright, high IQ, but very shy. hence a lower gbrs.

I have heard that the AAP selection committee is biased against very shy children. I wonder if there are many activities (presentations and such) that could make AAP an uncomfortable experience for a very shy child? Those with kids already in AAP, is it a difficult environment for a shy child?

A lot of hooey, like so much on this board. My shy child easily got in. Here's the thing, unless your child is off the charts smart you should count yourself lucky of they get in. Anyone else will do fine in a local school, and I think deep down parents know this or there wouldn't be so much angst on this board.

The whole process is bs. It should be based on scores and nothing else. Better yet, it should be based on iq. Period

doesn't prove diddly. Thank goodness the selection people disagree with you.

[Anonymous]

I recall a prof in Psych class being asked what an IQ test measures and the prof said it measures a person's "performance on an IQ test." Whether it measures anything relevant to anything else in the world is completely speculative.