Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
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Anonymous
It means to you if your kid got 1400. Read it. it means to Dartmouth only if it's from some kids from places like Harlem. And also for athletes, legacy, ig donation, celebrities, etc. |
Anonymous
100% this. I think nobody has a problem helping kids out of poverty or with no advantages. Hell, that's what happened to my dad. White kid in government housing, salvation army donations, that was found to be incredibly bright by the nuns and sent to prep school and then feeder university on a full ride. My dad was incredibly brilliant and without that financial aid, he never would have made it out. My husband is a pell grant recipient that made it so he could attend a T10. I 100% support that no matter the race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. I think what most people don't like or can't accept is wealthy kids with all the advantages (often more than the non-urm) being awarded special status. |
Anonymous
Legacy kids aren’t getting in with a 1400 either unless they fit one of the other categories, like big donor. I’m not defending legacy preference - but legacy admits without another category generally have strong scores. |
Anonymous
DP. What are *you* babbling about? Any kid with a high gpa and 1400+ on the SAT is “good enough” for an Ivy and the Dartmouth study shows the data. Is a 1500 kid from Greenwich who went to Phillips Exeter even really “better” than a 1400 kid from an inner city school or Appalachia? They’re probably not even smarter and they’re much less likely to have the ambition and grit of the disadvantaged kid. I believe that these decisions should not be based purely on race, but I have no issue at all with schools taking into account how far kids have come considering their resources (or lack thereof). |
Anonymous
I think the majority of people are ok with affirmative action based on SES as you described it. The problem is, when they look into it, the vast majority of poor but high scoring kids are rural white kids (~70% in the studies I saw). That’s the absolute last demographic that most selective colleges want to help. |
Anonymous
So Emory is more prestigious than Georgetown and Dartmouth, because Asians seem to love the school?! |
Anonymous
The absolute last demographic that most selective colleges want to help is UMC suburban Asian Americans. |
Anonymous
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As said above they are not saying they will let in tons of kids with 1400, they are affirming that a SAT ( or ACT) score in context can predict academic success at Dartmouth.
They expect higher scores from affluent kids to match their high gpa and rigorous course load. And if an applicant is from a low income area or school where a smaller number of kids go to college, then their high gpa, combined with taking a rigorous course load based on what is available at their school then combined with solid very good score like 1400 ( at a school where many kids score under 1200) can help predict that that the student can handle the Dartmouth ( or similar school) academically. When everyone is test optional, a high gpa has less meaning for both the affluent and other candidates, especially when a lot of schools tend to allow re- takes of tests etc and there is a lot of grade inflation. The test score is another piece of the picture in holistic admissions and studies are showing that for some colleges is was helpful and without it some students are getting admitted to schools that are not the right place for them. Years ago, if you didn’t have a certain type of score, you knew that certain schools were not on your radar, and that was ok for a long time until test optional became so widespread. I predict all of the ivys and similarly academically challenging schools will bring back test requirements or at least go test preferred where you would have explain why you are not submitting scores. There are already some schools doing that. We came across one as my son was applying. There was a question where you had to explain why you were not submitting scores if you chose not to. 2 years ago the answer might have been that their test center cancelled testing several times due to Covid ( which was happening often in 2020-2021, even 2022 a little). Now that is rare and I wonder what explanations are used when it’s clear that such a school would prefer a score so you wouldn’t have to answer this question. |
Anonymous
I was talking with an HYP alum who holds a very influential non-employee position with the person’s alma mater, and he/she also agrees 100% with Fryer. |
Anonymous
| I heard an admissions director say recently that they were hearing from kids who were refusing to submit scores as a protest against standardized testing. Pretty brave, considering that those same kids turned out to have good scores. |
Anonymous
How could admissions know the kids had good scores if they applied without them? My senior was pretty upset about the whole standardized testing controversy back when he was a sophomore. Thought it was some conspiracy against the disadvantaged. He ended up with a high score, National Merit, and admission to a T10. Would that admission have happened test optional? Possible, but seems unlikely, with only about a quarter of the enrolled class having applied test optional and the particular high school not well established. |
Anonymous
What exactly are these kids protesting? The test is one piece of information among many pieces of information. FWIW, I don't think that the argument about the test being biased against black and Hispanic kids holds much water, especially for the math section. You either know the math, or you don't. If you have poor immigrant ESL Asian kids who can score 700+ on the math section, how is that biased against disadvantaged kids? I get that verbal sections would be tough for ESL kids or kids who grew up without educated parents, but again, this part can be explained. |
Anonymous
I hate to "well, actually" you, but, well, actually, a number of esteemed colleges have been pretty aggressive in seeking rural students (75% of whom are white), which represents a significantly underrepresented demographic at most elite colleges which overflow with suburban and city kids. Dartmouth indicated that it was one of their institutional priorities this year (i.e., a hook) and other schools like WashU have expressed a similar sentiment. Check out the STARS College Network: https://starscollegenetwork.org/. |
Anonymous
After kids are admitted and when they enroll the schools can see their scores. He made this comment as part of a larger discussion and just mentioned briefly that it was just one additional consideration in their decisions about whether to bring back the test score mandate. |
Anonymous
| How can colleges see their scores if they don't send to that school? |