Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year

[Anonymous]

Hope sanity returns at other schools, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment

There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.

Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.

[Anonymous]

How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

They know who submitted scores and who didn’t. Their studies showed TO candidates performed worse in college. Other colleges found the same. The majority of students on academic probation and in need of remedial courses rose with TO—and the vast majority were TO kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

Why you never take the test when you want to go to a school that requires it??

[Anonymous]

Yale has done a similar internal study that had similar findings. They may follow Dartmouth on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment

There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.

Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.

The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment

There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.

Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.

oh yea, so 2.5 GPA should be fine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fantastic!
Goodbye to the "bad at test taking" dopes with their grade inflated 4.0s.

+100. And the ones that were vehemently arguing tests were never coming back on this board while those of us reading the news, data and analyzing the research correctly predicted they would be back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

They know who submitted scores and who didn’t. Their studies showed TO candidates performed worse in college. Other colleges found the same. The majority of students on academic probation and in need of remedial courses rose with TO—and the vast majority were TO kids.

This was not stated anywhere in Dartmouth's reasoning. How about some data to back up this absurd comment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment

There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.

Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.

The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.

Is your son a minority? GU has had a huge DEI push the past few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

They know who submitted scores and who didn’t. Their studies showed TO candidates performed worse in college. Other colleges found the same. The majority of students on academic probation and in need of remedial courses rose with TO—and the vast majority were TO kids.

This was not stated anywhere in Dartmouth's reasoning. How about some data to back up this absurd comment?

Hey TO dummy, it was in their study that had been posted over and over again on this board that TO fans refused to accept.

Use that TO brain and do your research—like smart people do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fantastic!
Goodbye to the "bad at test taking" dopes with their grade inflated 4.0s.

That is hilarious. How did they do on exams, midterms, finals.
Colleges are full of exams, midtems, and finals.
If you are bad at test taking, you can go to the colleges that have exams, midterms, and finals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can colleges see test scores of TO applicants after the admissions process is complete? What about students who never took the test? I don't completely discount their findings but I find some of their methods suspect.

They know who submitted scores and who didn’t. Their studies showed TO candidates performed worse in college. Other colleges found the same. The majority of students on academic probation and in need of remedial courses rose with TO—and the vast majority were TO kids.

That's not at all what the study said. In fact, they didn't even look at outcomes. The part I'm questioning is this:

"The researchers were able to analyze the test scores even of students who had not submitted them to Dartmouth."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Respect.
More and more selective schools will join.

Separating the wheat from the chaff.

Bravo Dartmouth!!