Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Trump won in 2016, lost in 2020, and will lose in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

[Anonymous]

“Imagine the Republican Party being such an irredeemable bag of d|cks that Chris Effing Christie dropping out of the race will make it worse.”
- Ken White

[Anonymous]

Whoa

Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden.

43% would vote for Biden instead.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2024/01/14/iowa-poll-nikki-haley-supporters-more-likely-vote-joe-biden-over-donald-trump-november-2024-election/72193795007/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nikki Haley / Chris Sununu

That would be a fantastic ticket.

A ticket MAGA will never support

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

So you are blaming the democrats for nominating arguably the most qualified candidate in terms of experience since George Herbert Walker Bush because the GOP spent 20 years demonizing her for choosing to work as a lawyer over being a stay at home mom, and you claim the Dems are the ones who play the culture wars.

Stop blaming the Dems for Trump. The GOP voters nominated him and then carried him into office with a little help from oversees partners who received their payback in spades and are still receiving their payback.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

Why would the prospects of Biden dying in office sow chaos and division? The Vice President becomes the president and we all move on. Or are the prospects of a black lady being president too much for you and the GOP to handle? Please explain. And why would this be any different than when Kari Lake becomes president when Trump dies in office?

Who am I kidding, Trump would never pick a lady VP.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

So you are blaming the democrats for nominating arguably the most qualified candidate in terms of experience since George Herbert Walker Bush because the GOP spent 20 years demonizing her for choosing to work as a lawyer over being a stay at home mom, and you claim the Dems are the ones who play the culture wars.

Stop blaming the Dems for Trump. The GOP voters nominated him and then carried him into office with a little help from oversees partners who received their payback in spades and are still receiving their payback.

We should have nominated Hillary in 2008. That debacle led us to Trump having a chance of victory in 2016. Everyone wants to point the finger elsewhere but when someone as awful as Trump beats you and is threatening to beat you again, there is some in-house accountability to be considered.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

So you are blaming the democrats for nominating arguably the most qualified candidate in terms of experience since George Herbert Walker Bush because the GOP spent 20 years demonizing her for choosing to work as a lawyer over being a stay at home mom, and you claim the Dems are the ones who play the culture wars.

Stop blaming the Dems for Trump. The GOP voters nominated him and then carried him into office with a little help from oversees partners who received their payback in spades and are still receiving their payback.

We should have nominated Hillary in 2008. That debacle led us to Trump having a chance of victory in 2016. Everyone wants to point the finger elsewhere but when someone as awful as Trump beats you and is threatening to beat you again, there is some in-house accountability to be considered.

You think there are more people who will vote for Trump today than in 2016?

I mean, between natural deaths and COVID, a good chunk of his voters then have passed away.

In the meantime, the 8 years of new, younger voters are skewing 62% in favor of Biden. These are kids who grew up with gun drills, COVID and the Trump Administration craziness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

Why would the prospects of Biden dying in office sow chaos and division? The Vice President becomes the president and we all move on. Or are the prospects of a black lady being president too much for you and the GOP to handle? Please explain. And why would this be any different than when Kari Lake becomes president when Trump dies in office?

Who am I kidding, Trump would never pick a lady VP.

No one wants to be Trump's VP. At least no normal person. Look up Mike Pence.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

So you are blaming the democrats for nominating arguably the most qualified candidate in terms of experience since George Herbert Walker Bush because the GOP spent 20 years demonizing her for choosing to work as a lawyer over being a stay at home mom, and you claim the Dems are the ones who play the culture wars.

Stop blaming the Dems for Trump. The GOP voters nominated him and then carried him into office with a little help from oversees partners who received their payback in spades and are still receiving their payback.

We should have nominated Hillary in 2008. That debacle led us to Trump having a chance of victory in 2016. Everyone wants to point the finger elsewhere but when someone as awful as Trump beats you and is threatening to beat you again, there is some in-house accountability to be considered.

Stop it. You act as if Republicans have no agency. They picked someone as awful as Trump because that's who they are and that's what they like.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden. If Haley is on the ticket, I will vote for her.

I, like most normal people, am in the anyone but Trump or Biden camp but Haley won't get my vote. She would obviously be a better choice overall as a leader than one of the senile old men but I can't quite go there for policy difference reasons. I also think DeSantis has joined my anyone but list. He is almost as unlikable as Trump.

Elections are about keeping out the lessor of the two evils. They always have been and always will be with few exceptions. You look for who will do less damage. If you are looking to be excited about your candidate, you are going to be disappointed.

I think if you take a closer look at presidential elections in the 20th and early 21st century you'd find that there was at least one candidate and in many cases both candidates nominated by the two major parties that most people would think are reasonably fit for office and had presidential resumes. This includes candidates that a high majority of Americans would feel comfortable with as leaders of the country even if they were of the opposite party. There will always been a small percentage of far right or left wing people that aren't satisfied with anyone but we typical have had options to choose from that were viable presidential candidates at the time they were nominated. We're currently faced with an upcoming election with a likelihood of two very unpopular nominees that are clearly not among the best available POTUS options. This is not okay and we shouldn't accept it as the norm.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

After Obama and Trump, people want to be excited and entertained by the politicians. This is exactly part of the problem plaguing us.

If voters really cared about "reasonably fit" and "presidential resumes" and "viable candidates" they would not have elected Trump in 2016. The man who never did a day of public service in his life.

Americans don't care about anything in your post.

If this were the case, we would have Trump-like presidents long before 2016. We went from a 2012 election with two very respectable major party candidates to having Trump win one and possibly two out of three elections. Nothing is normal about this. The American people didn't create this mess. An absence of leadership and functionality within our two major political parties created the opportunity for this to happen.

The Electoral College and gerrymandering created this mess. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump and never have and never will.

A potential change to the process of how we determine the winner of our presidential elections is a debate to be had. As it is, Trump won fairly and squarely in 2016 and he has a good chance of winning in 2024. Regardless of what the electoral process is and has been, we've never had a successful presidential candidate as clearly unfit as Trump. Weaknesses in the GOP allowed Trump to be nominated and weaknesses in the Dem party allowed for one Trump victory and possibly a second.

Nope.

The GOP nominated Trump.
And Trump won the electoral college vote.

Neither has anything to do with Democrats.

When someone as awful as Trump wins or has a chance to win, it has a lot to do with who is his opponent was or is. If Trump were running against Obama in 2016, he would have had absolutely no chance. If he were currently running against one of our nation's top Dem governors, he would have no chance in 2024. Similarly, if Biden beats Trump in 2024 and then dies in 2026 creating division and chaos that slows the function of the Federal Government, a portion of blame for this mess would fall on the shoulders of the GOP for not nominating a candidate strong enough to be an unpopular 81 year old.

So you are blaming the democrats for nominating arguably the most qualified candidate in terms of experience since George Herbert Walker Bush because the GOP spent 20 years demonizing her for choosing to work as a lawyer over being a stay at home mom, and you claim the Dems are the ones who play the culture wars.

Stop blaming the Dems for Trump. The GOP voters nominated him and then carried him into office with a little help from oversees partners who received their payback in spades and are still receiving their payback.

We should have nominated Hillary in 2008. That debacle led us to Trump having a chance of victory in 2016. Everyone wants to point the finger elsewhere but when someone as awful as Trump beats you and is threatening to beat you again, there is some in-house accountability to be considered.

Stop it. You act as if Republicans have no agency. They picked someone as awful as Trump because that's who they are and that's what they like.

Yes, and we lost to that garbage.

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Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden.

43% would vote for Biden instead.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2024/01/14/iowa-poll-nikki-haley-supporters-more-likely-vote-joe-biden-over-donald-trump-november-2024-election/72193795007/

This is what I am saying. The rabid Trump people are going to continue to be rabid, but if you've turned away from Trump because of his many issue, then you may also turn against him. I don't think the GOP has been attracting a lot of new voters since 2016.