Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

And mentally disordered, low IQ, a stalker, jealous, etc. This thread is off the rails

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

DP. Welp, looks like there are going to be a lot fewer opportunities for that to be a problem, given this new class of drugs. Cheers!

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

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Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

Nothing is a miracle.

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Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

Nothing is a miracle.

Lol well as close as it can be! It’s been amazing to see the scale go down without having to track anything or exercise. It’s a game changer.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

How much weight have you lost?

Imagine that you weigh a healthy 150 pounds at 5’7. You’ve been that since college and it’s not hard to maintain that weight, it’s just where you naturally are when you’re not dieting. So somewhere in the middle of the normal BMI range. Imagine if you decided to weigh 110 pounds. How hard would it be to lose and then maintain that weight forever? Be honest. Could you do it, put in that kind of discipline and meticulous tracking for the rest of your life?

That’s about as hard as it is for someone who weighs 300 pounds to weigh 150 pounds. Their bodies want to be 300 pounds just as badly as your body wants to be 150 pounds.

But their bodies didn’t obtain a 300lb baseline on their own. They helped it. More often than not, their parents helped it. Setting aside medical issues, parents who let their children grow up fat set them up for a lifetime of weight and health issues. Once you reach adulthood fat, it’s impossible for you to eat regularly and maintain a healthy weight. We need to cut obesity from the start.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

How much weight have you lost?

Imagine that you weigh a healthy 150 pounds at 5’7. You’ve been that since college and it’s not hard to maintain that weight, it’s just where you naturally are when you’re not dieting. So somewhere in the middle of the normal BMI range. Imagine if you decided to weigh 110 pounds. How hard would it be to lose and then maintain that weight forever? Be honest. Could you do it, put in that kind of discipline and meticulous tracking for the rest of your life?

That’s about as hard as it is for someone who weighs 300 pounds to weigh 150 pounds. Their bodies want to be 300 pounds just as badly as your body wants to be 150 pounds.

But their bodies didn’t obtain a 300lb baseline on their own. They helped it. More often than not, their parents helped it. Setting aside medical issues, parents who let their children grow up fat set them up for a lifetime of weight and health issues. Once you reach adulthood fat, it’s impossible for you to eat regularly and maintain a healthy weight. We need to cut obesity from the start.

Agreed, that’s why these drugs are so great! The whole diet and exercise thing hasn’t worked, but now we can actually treat obesity.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

What causes obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

You poor thing. I feel so sorry for you. I really do wish some measure of meaningful peace. You seem almost haunted.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

Aren’t you the ones relying on People magazine for your science in this thread? Are you the personal trainer who is thirty years out of date?

It is the pro-drug people in the thread who have provided literally all hard scientific evidence cited in this thread. In one corner you have Nature, in the other you have People. That’s like putting Logan Paul in the ring against Muhammad Ali: you are such a joke, you can’t be taken seriously.

Do you understand that People magazine is not, in fact, a respected science journal?

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

Aren’t you the ones relying on People magazine for your science in this thread? Are you the personal trainer who is thirty years out of date?

It is the pro-drug people in the thread who have provided literally all hard scientific evidence cited in this thread. In one corner you have Nature, in the other you have People. That’s like putting Logan Paul in the ring against Muhammad Ali: you are such a joke, you can’t be taken seriously.

Do you understand that People magazine is not, in fact, a respected science journal?

Oh honey, I can see why you're upset. The study you cited doesn't say what you think it says. It doesn't disprove what people have been telling you ad nauseam about diet, calories, exercise, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

Aren’t you the ones relying on People magazine for your science in this thread? Are you the personal trainer who is thirty years out of date?

It is the pro-drug people in the thread who have provided literally all hard scientific evidence cited in this thread. In one corner you have Nature, in the other you have People. That’s like putting Logan Paul in the ring against Muhammad Ali: you are such a joke, you can’t be taken seriously.

Do you understand that People magazine is not, in fact, a respected science journal?

Oh honey, I can see why you're upset. The study you cited doesn't say what you think it says. It doesn't disprove what people have been telling you ad nauseam about diet, calories, exercise, etc.

DP, but, what about what you're being told about obesity, hormones, hunger cues, etc.? No scientist in the field would say it's simple, and that's what your post boils down to. "It's so simple!" No knowledgeable expert in the field agrees with that.