Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Looking for a link showing Auburn's 71% acceptance rate. Wondering if that refers to older data, as I can't find the published overall rate for class of 2026.

US News: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/auburn-university-1009/applying

That's overall. Auburn doesn't provide a breakout of the admissions rate in state vs. OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Looking for a link showing Auburn's 71% acceptance rate. Wondering if that refers to older data, as I can't find the published overall rate for class of 2026.

US News: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/auburn-university-1009/applying

That's overall. Auburn doesn't provide a breakout of the admissions rate in state vs. OOS.

US News rates typically lags by a year or two, depending on the time of year. US News pulls from IPEDs. 71% was for fall 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Looking for a link showing Auburn's 71% acceptance rate. Wondering if that refers to older data, as I can't find the published overall rate for class of 2026.

US News: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/auburn-university-1009/applying

That's overall. Auburn doesn't provide a breakout of the admissions rate in state vs. OOS.

US News rates typically lags by a year or two, depending on the time of year. US News pulls from IPEDs. 71% was for fall 2021.

If true, the acceptance rate for 2022 would be lower, since applications were up by 60% over 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Princeton and Dartmouth and Wellesley have better school spirit than anything in the south…

….look at % of giving rates, reunion engagement, and networking.

Southern school spirit is very superficial.

Have you seen Duke's campus during a major basketball game? Truly unmatched

Ok, Princeton reunion you see people come back year after year for decades and that “passion” translates into tangible stuff…relationships, jobs, opportunities ..:not just facepaint for 4 hrs

Certainly Princeton Reunions are an awesome feature of the school. A lot of their prominent alumni are in New York so it makes for a nice little annual trip for those folks. But you would also be kidding yourself if you think Duke basketball has no impact on their alumni. In DC I have several friends who went to Duke (I went to a non-Princeton Ivy) and I've noticed it gives them an extra connection to the school and something more to talk about amongst each other. Even doing a quick Google search, according to https://www.boston.com/sports/ncaa-tournament/2019/03/22/dukes-title-run-revives-status-as-wall-streets-favorite-team/: 'If the Blue Devils make it to the finals in Minneapolis the weekend of April 6, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s Ashok Varadhan will be there. The executive, who serves as co-head of the firm’s securities division and a member of its management committee, has stronger ties to the program than most Wall Street alumni... Varadhan stays connected to Dukies in finance through their shared passion for the basketball team. That circle of friends includes Apollo Global Management LLC Co-President Jim Zelter, Oaktree Capital Group LLC Co-Chairman Bruce Karsh, Brownstone Investment Group Chief Executive Officer Doug Lowey, Maveron LLC co-founder Dan Levitan, Centerview Partners LLC partner David Cohen and Perella Weinberg Partners partner Bob Steel.

The way Varadhan tells it, their group text lights up during games – and keeps going after the final buzzer.

“We tend to offer each other no shortage of reactions and opinions,” he said.

That all sounds familiar to Mark Williams, a Bank of America managing director who was the basketball team manager for his four years at Duke, graduating in 1992 after back-to-back NCAA championships.

The Blue Devils are a community, Williams said, one that includes friends, family, co-workers and colleagues in the financial-services industry.'

Sounds like basketball has helped their community considering some of the biggest players in finance have a group chat where they talk about Duke basketball.

Wow what a groupchat, maybe the SEC would be interested in it… I can’t imagine a group of powerful dookies keep it clean.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Princeton and Dartmouth and Wellesley have better school spirit than anything in the south…

….look at % of giving rates, reunion engagement, and networking.

Southern school spirit is very superficial.

Have you seen Duke's campus during a major basketball game? Truly unmatched

Ok, Princeton reunion you see people come back year after year for decades and that “passion” translates into tangible stuff…relationships, jobs, opportunities ..:not just facepaint for 4 hrs

Certainly Princeton Reunions are an awesome feature of the school. A lot of their prominent alumni are in New York so it makes for a nice little annual trip for those folks. But you would also be kidding yourself if you think Duke basketball has no impact on their alumni. In DC I have several friends who went to Duke (I went to a non-Princeton Ivy) and I've noticed it gives them an extra connection to the school and something more to talk about amongst each other. Even doing a quick Google search, according to https://www.boston.com/sports/ncaa-tournament/2019/03/22/dukes-title-run-revives-status-as-wall-streets-favorite-team/: 'If the Blue Devils make it to the finals in Minneapolis the weekend of April 6, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s Ashok Varadhan will be there. The executive, who serves as co-head of the firm’s securities division and a member of its management committee, has stronger ties to the program than most Wall Street alumni... Varadhan stays connected to Dukies in finance through their shared passion for the basketball team. That circle of friends includes Apollo Global Management LLC Co-President Jim Zelter, Oaktree Capital Group LLC Co-Chairman Bruce Karsh, Brownstone Investment Group Chief Executive Officer Doug Lowey, Maveron LLC co-founder Dan Levitan, Centerview Partners LLC partner David Cohen and Perella Weinberg Partners partner Bob Steel.

The way Varadhan tells it, their group text lights up during games – and keeps going after the final buzzer.

“We tend to offer each other no shortage of reactions and opinions,” he said.

That all sounds familiar to Mark Williams, a Bank of America managing director who was the basketball team manager for his four years at Duke, graduating in 1992 after back-to-back NCAA championships.

The Blue Devils are a community, Williams said, one that includes friends, family, co-workers and colleagues in the financial-services industry.'

Sounds like basketball has helped their community considering some of the biggest players in finance have a group chat where they talk about Duke basketball.

Wow what a groupchat, maybe the SEC would be interested in it… I can’t imagine a group of powerful dookies keep it clean.

We get it you don’t like Duke! It’s too bad most of us would still love the chance to send our kids there!

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

New York setting up its state system the way it did (with no flagship, etc.) is such a sad, missed opportunity.

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I think folks in the south would probably prefer that people like your daughter stay in the progressive NE. So everyone wins... +1 Nothing wrong with different choices. Bryn Mawr and Mt Holyoke students probably wouldn't like UGA, Emory, UNC, Davidson, Vanderbilt, etc.

I haven't visited UGA or Emory lately, but LGBT+ kids are absolutely welcome at UNC, Davidson & Vandy. The issue for many of course isn't the schools or student bodies, it's the intolerance in the state legislatures.

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A friendly campus doesn’t negate the state laws

VA is taking away transgender protections that had been passed only a couple years ago. It is infuriating

Even if this is happening, very few college students are transgender. No one even knew what transgender was a decade or so ago. So the average college student doesn’t need to be protected by legislation for being transgender because they aren’t transgender.

I was using this as an example. Many of these states have incredibly regressive social policies. There are students who care about these things whether it personally affects them or not.

Look, I get that some kids don’t care and others are choosing to go to these places to try to change things. But posters claiming no one cares are ridiculous. I know plenty of families, including my own, that are ruling out states based on regressive state policies.

Cool story, nerd. Have fun at UMass.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Princeton and Dartmouth and Wellesley have better school spirit than anything in the south…

….look at % of giving rates, reunion engagement, and networking.

Southern school spirit is very superficial.

Have you seen Duke's campus during a major basketball game? Truly unmatched

Go to any sports bar in any major city in the country when ND/Stanford/Duke has an important game. Compare that to any Princeton/Dartmouth//Wellesley has any event. Harvard and Yale alumni get up for the big game, but I've never seen a bartender get asked to switch on a Dartmouth game

It's just a different sort of "spirit" I guess, and that's okay. I'm not sure any "good" school (maybe ND?) really compares to Dartmouth when it comes to people who truly love their college, and this has very little to do with football.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

Other PP. I still have not seen a verified overall acceptance rate for Auburn for fall 2022/class of 2026. The 71% figure is for fall 2021/class of 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

Other PP. I still have not seen a verified overall acceptance rate for Auburn for fall 2022/class of 2026. The 71% figure is for fall 2021/class of 2025.

So let’s say it drops to 40%. Who cares? Northeastern is sub 10%. What does that tell you?

It also doesn’t tell you the bulk of those Auburn applications are coming from the north. Maybe it’s all those Texas kids who can’t get into Texas.

If your kid wants to go to auburn they should go. Not sure how insecure you need to be about it.

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DMV isn't even Northern. You guys are southern to the rest of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

Other PP. I still have not seen a verified overall acceptance rate for Auburn for fall 2022/class of 2026. The 71% figure is for fall 2021/class of 2025.

So let’s say it drops to 40%. Who cares? Northeastern is sub 10%. What does that tell you?

It also doesn’t tell you the bulk of those Auburn applications are coming from the north. Maybe it’s all those Texas kids who can’t get into Texas.

If your kid wants to go to auburn they should go. Not sure how insecure you need to be about it.

I didn't see anyone equating the popularity of Auburn with that of Northeastern. The general point was that southern schools have increased in popularity. (I am a different PP from whomever you think you're arguing with. My own junior has visited Northeastern and isn't interested in the south. Just trying to get clarity on the actual, most recent acceptance rate at Auburn, as their EA rate was 24%.

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Anonymous wrote:DMV isn't even Northern. You guys are southern to the rest of the country.

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Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.