Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Princeton and Dartmouth and Wellesley have better school spirit than anything in the south…

….look at % of giving rates, reunion engagement, and networking.

Southern school spirit is very superficial.

Have you seen Duke's campus during a major basketball game? Truly unmatched

Ok, Princeton reunion you see people come back year after year for decades and that “passion” translates into tangible stuff…relationships, jobs, opportunities ..:not just facepaint for 4 hrs

Certainly Princeton Reunions are an awesome feature of the school. A lot of their prominent alumni are in New York so it makes for a nice little annual trip for those folks. But you would also be kidding yourself if you think Duke basketball has no impact on their alumni. In DC I have several friends who went to Duke (I went to a non-Princeton Ivy) and I've noticed it gives them an extra connection to the school and something more to talk about amongst each other. Even doing a quick Google search, according to https://www.boston.com/sports/ncaa-tournament/2019/03/22/dukes-title-run-revives-status-as-wall-streets-favorite-team/: 'If the Blue Devils make it to the finals in Minneapolis the weekend of April 6, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s Ashok Varadhan will be there. The executive, who serves as co-head of the firm’s securities division and a member of its management committee, has stronger ties to the program than most Wall Street alumni... Varadhan stays connected to Dukies in finance through their shared passion for the basketball team. That circle of friends includes Apollo Global Management LLC Co-President Jim Zelter, Oaktree Capital Group LLC Co-Chairman Bruce Karsh, Brownstone Investment Group Chief Executive Officer Doug Lowey, Maveron LLC co-founder Dan Levitan, Centerview Partners LLC partner David Cohen and Perella Weinberg Partners partner Bob Steel.

The way Varadhan tells it, their group text lights up during games – and keeps going after the final buzzer.

“We tend to offer each other no shortage of reactions and opinions,” he said.

That all sounds familiar to Mark Williams, a Bank of America managing director who was the basketball team manager for his four years at Duke, graduating in 1992 after back-to-back NCAA championships.

The Blue Devils are a community, Williams said, one that includes friends, family, co-workers and colleagues in the financial-services industry.'

Sounds like basketball has helped their community considering some of the biggest players in finance have a group chat where they talk about Duke basketball.

Ok that's actually pretty cool that people of that stature stay connected over basketball.

[Anonymous]

The attractiveness of the gals in the south is definitely a data point that factors into college choices.

I would be worried about the power of the sun and skin cancer down the road. Are there any studies that show higher incidence of skin cancer in the south? Or a sub-study that shows the effect of sun on northerners that move south.

[Anonymous]

I have zero jealousy or envy for Dook fans

I attended another school in the conference and was a guest in their facilities more than once (not an athlete) Their behavior was appalling-the worst in the league at the time. And no, I was not participating in egging them on in any way-I was there in an official capacity, expected to be kind/courteous or be kicked out of school (not that I ever would have acted like a jacka$$ anyway)

I sure hope they have cracked down on some of the behavior (which was widespread, not just a small group of idiots), because it really did leave me with a very bad view of the school as a whole

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Princeton and Dartmouth and Wellesley have better school spirit than anything in the south…

….look at % of giving rates, reunion engagement, and networking.

Southern school spirit is very superficial.

If you went to one of those three schools and represent the typical grad, I cannot imagine what you consider school spirit. Snobbery perhaps? I know HRC is a grad of Wellesley.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Did you read the article? I did. The article noted that schools like North Carolina and Duke have always been popular but now more students are focused on ";ower tiered" schools like Auburn, Alabama, the Univerity of Miama, SMU, and TCU due to the community spirit and social opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Im surprised more people don’t apply to smu….

…the women there are unreal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The attractiveness of the gals in the south is definitely a data point that factors into college choices.

I would be worried about the power of the sun and skin cancer down the road. Are there any studies that show higher incidence of skin cancer in the south? Or a sub-study that shows the effect of sun on northerners that move south.

I am not male. I am no longer young. And I am not white. So absolutely not the target audience. I know people say southern college women are hot. Honestly I did not see it walking around the UF campus many years ago. Women in my NE grad school were more pretty (in my mind anyway).

But back to the subject of this thread. The south, like other regions have some really strong schools. You can get a great education at most of the state flagships. And of course there are some wonderful privates. My kid is applying to my alma mater. I don’t actually think it’s a great fit for her atmosphere-wise. That being said, if she goes there, she’ll get a great education and walk away with wonderful friends and some cherished memories.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Sure. The ones at Auburn are a lot happier.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

[Anonymous]

NP. Looking for a link showing Auburn's 71% acceptance rate. Wondering if that refers to older data, as I can't find the published overall rate for class of 2026.

[Anonymous]

Wow, what a tedious thread. My kids will attend college in whatever region they choose. Some of you are beyond insufferable.