Biden strikes out with King Manchin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

It's funny how the Democrats are *already* anticipating losing the House, even quite badly. That is why they are desperate to pass the bill.

But they will lose badly if inflation isn't brought under control, and one of the reasons Manchin refuses to support the bill is that adding another $2T deficit spending has powerful implications for inflation. So perhaps Manchin refusing to support the bill will actually help mitigate the growth of inflation and in turn, mitigate the scale of the Democratic losses.

Look - people aren't going to vote against the Democrats for failing to pass this bill. They will vote against the Democrats if they pass this bill. What you want is not what other people want. Too many people forget this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

It's already too late and the Republicans already do that to "blue" states. The blue states need to start fighting back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

It's funny how the Democrats are *already* anticipating losing the House, even quite badly. That is why they are desperate to pass the bill.

But they will lose badly if inflation isn't brought under control, and one of the reasons Manchin refuses to support the bill is that adding another $2T deficit spending has powerful implications for inflation. So perhaps Manchin refusing to support the bill will actually help mitigate the growth of inflation and in turn, mitigate the scale of the Democratic losses.

Look - people aren't going to vote against the Democrats for failing to pass this bill. They will vote against the Democrats if they pass this bill. What you want is not what other people want. Too many people forget this.

The bill was deficit neutral. It was the most fiscally responsible piece of legislation since Clinton's budgets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Oh people will vote like their lives depend on it. With 1 million dead from Covid by then and inflation at 9% next year, it might not be for the party you want them to vote for though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

I think part of the issue may also like North-Korea syndrome, where red staters are suffering due to their elected leaders pushing back on funds and programs and thinking that the Democrats' programs were all failures and that the rest of the country is worse off than they are when in fact that's not at all the case. That's the propaganda North Korea uses as well - for as bad as the problems are in North Korea, they tell their people that the rest of the world is even worse off when it isn't.

It's been going on for a long time - I recall arguing with red staters about ARRA stimulus programs, they'd say "there were no shovel ready projects" and say there was nothing to show for it (in their red county) while I'd pull up the website and show them dozens of great and much needed projects that were successfully completed around where I live. Or they'd whine about ACA not realizing their own GOP officials sabotaged it where they live but that the plans and programs were much better in blue states. And so they'd project their own shitty situation onto the rest of the country not realizing that it was their own GOP officials who made it shitty for no good reason other than partisan politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

It's funny how the Democrats are *already* anticipating losing the House, even quite badly. That is why they are desperate to pass the bill.

But they will lose badly if inflation isn't brought under control, and one of the reasons Manchin refuses to support the bill is that adding another $2T deficit spending has powerful implications for inflation. So perhaps Manchin refusing to support the bill will actually help mitigate the growth of inflation and in turn, mitigate the scale of the Democratic losses.

Look - people aren't going to vote against the Democrats for failing to pass this bill. They will vote against the Democrats if they pass this bill. What you want is not what other people want. Too many people forget this.

The bill was deficit neutral. It was the most fiscally responsible piece of legislation since Clinton's budgets.

At the very least, it was far more fiscally responsible than anything the Republicans have passed in years. But the Republicans just continue to lie shamelessly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Oh people will vote like their lives depend on it. With 1 million dead from Covid by then and inflation at 9% next year, it might not be for the party you want them to vote for though.

Inflation is because of the pandemic that Trump let spiral out of control. But somehow that's the Democrats' fault.
Most of the dead since Biden got elected have been stupid Trumpster anti-vaxxers. But somehow that's the Democrats' fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to use Justice to maybe investigate his cronies and backers for financial irregularities (or otherwise) and hint that if Manchin changes his “no” on BBB it could all go away? Add a small fine in there to make it look legit, as well.

My God you are insufferable. Use the Justice system to go after those you disagree with politically. You have done way too much of that already.
But, I wouldn't put it past Joe and the puppets pulling his strings.

[Anonymous]

And, now, Jamaal Bowman (D - NY) is calling for more pandemic relief funding.
Is there anything that Democrats do besides spending other people's money?

Rep. Jamaal Bowman, a progressive freshman Democrat from New York, is calling on Congress to pass another Covid-19 relief package as the country marks 800,000 deaths from the virus and the threat of the Omicron variant only grows.

In a letter to House Democratic leadership, shared first with CNN, Bowman laid out why he believes another Covid relief package is necessary.
"We now lost 800,000 American lives to COVID 19 — double the number we lost in World War 2. This number is shocking, and cannot continue to climb without another federal intervention," Bowman writes. "Our defense budget is ($)770 billion a year but we are not doing enough to defend ourselves against a global pandemic that is killing us directly and indirectly through the mental health crisis it has created."
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Bowman outlines that this new emergency supplemental should specifically address how the pandemic is affecting children and their mental health by including a bereavement fund for children who lost a primary or secondary caregiver due to Covid-related reasons, the cancellation of federal student loans, the cancellation of housing-related debt for past due rent and mortgage payments, the reinstatement of an eviction moratorium and foreclosure moratorium, and renewed funding in education among other provisions.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/15/politics/democrat-covid-package-push/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

It's funny how the Democrats are *already* anticipating losing the House, even quite badly. That is why they are desperate to pass the bill.

But they will lose badly if inflation isn't brought under control, and one of the reasons Manchin refuses to support the bill is that adding another $2T deficit spending has powerful implications for inflation. So perhaps Manchin refusing to support the bill will actually help mitigate the growth of inflation and in turn, mitigate the scale of the Democratic losses.

Look - people aren't going to vote against the Democrats for failing to pass this bill. They will vote against the Democrats if they pass this bill. What you want is not what other people want. Too many people forget this.

The bill was deficit neutral. It was the most fiscally responsible piece of legislation since Clinton's budgets.

At the very least, it was far more fiscally responsible than anything the Republicans have passed in years. But the Republicans just continue to lie shamelessly.

Why wouldn’t they? The media uses their framing all the time; they get away with everything, including sedition.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

More proof of dysfunction at the White House. This administration is the worst ever!

[Anonymous]

From Manchin interview with WV public radio

They figured surely to God we can move one person. We surely can badger and beat one person up. Surely we can get enough protesters to make that person uncomfortable enough that they'll just say, 'OK I'll vote for anything,'" Manchin continued. "Well, guess what? I'm from West Virginia. I'm not from where they're from and they can just beat the living crap out of people and think they'll be submissive, period