Biden strikes out with King Manchin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More proof of dysfunction at the White House. This administration is the worst ever!

Lol yes Manchin is an honest guy. Bet he will say the same when he switches parties. What a loser.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

I am totally serious. There is nothing to fix. Right now the system is only working for the red states. The question is why should the blue states continue to play and pay? It’s time to make the red states pay. In the current system it is easy to do and the only thing the system allows. Federal highway, disaster relief, federal education $$, healthcare, etc. shut it down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

I am totally serious. There is nothing to fix. Right now the system is only working for the red states. The question is why should the blue states continue to play and pay? It’s time to make the red states pay. In the current system it is easy to do and the only thing the system allows. Federal highway, disaster relief, federal education $$, healthcare, etc. shut it down.

Look, I’m in a newly red state, and as far as I can see the system worked very well for me as a blue stater. Unfortunately voters in my state don’t SEE it that way. Please stop with the punitive politics, it’s a reason my state swung right. I’m so frustrated.

[Anonymous]

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Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

I am totally serious. There is nothing to fix. Right now the system is only working for the red states. The question is why should the blue states continue to play and pay? It’s time to make the red states pay. In the current system it is easy to do and the only thing the system allows. Federal highway, disaster relief, federal education $$, healthcare, etc. shut it down.

People like this ARE the problem but are too hyper-partisan and frankly unintelligent to see through the fog of their hysteria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am out. The BBB has a lot of stuff that will make life easier for many people but they do not want it. Screw them. It’s time for the Dems to stop shipping money to these poor backwards state.

The system will not allow for new legislation but you can stop anything. Stop the redistribution of money from the rich blue states to the poor states. Let’s start with the disaster relief.

I hope you aren’t serious because what you’re saying will further ossify the divisions between red states and blue states. It won’t help. I know we are all frustrated but this kind of talk isn’t fixing anything.

I think part of the issue may also like North-Korea syndrome, where red staters are suffering due to their elected leaders pushing back on funds and programs and thinking that the Democrats' programs were all failures and that the rest of the country is worse off than they are when in fact that's not at all the case. That's the propaganda North Korea uses as well - for as bad as the problems are in North Korea, they tell their people that the rest of the world is even worse off when it isn't.

It's been going on for a long time - I recall arguing with red staters about ARRA stimulus programs, they'd say "there were no shovel ready projects" and say there was nothing to show for it (in their red county) while I'd pull up the website and show them dozens of great and much needed projects that were successfully completed around where I live. Or they'd whine about ACA not realizing their own GOP officials sabotaged it where they live but that the plans and programs were much better in blue states. And so they'd project their own shitty situation onto the rest of the country not realizing that it was their own GOP officials who made it shitty for no good reason other than partisan politics.

Yes you are correct. But also I know republicans living in absolutely amazing places that are blue, living high off the hog, that think they have it bad. It’s insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I'll believe that when I hear it from Manchin's lips. Not believing a HuffPo story using only anonymous sources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I’m sure he didn’t appreciate that getting out. FFS. Well, if he wants to take the blame he’s a good scapegoat. It’s a shame that we couldn’t get the bill though. It would do so much good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I'll believe that when I hear it from Manchin's lips. Not believing a HuffPo story using only anonymous sources.

Yeah, right. Like Manchin is going to state this publicly.

They had 2 different sources confirm it. I believe it. Sounds absolutely legit that someone as wealthy and out of touch as Manchin would have such an opinion of his constituents. Why else would he ignore the overwhelming public approval of the BBB among West Virginians?

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Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

It's funny how the Democrats are *already* anticipating losing the House, even quite badly. That is why they are desperate to pass the bill.

But they will lose badly if inflation isn't brought under control, and one of the reasons Manchin refuses to support the bill is that adding another $2T deficit spending has powerful implications for inflation. So perhaps Manchin refusing to support the bill will actually help mitigate the growth of inflation and in turn, mitigate the scale of the Democratic losses.

Look - people aren't going to vote against the Democrats for failing to pass this bill. They will vote against the Democrats if they pass this bill. What you want is not what other people want. Too many people forget this.

The bill was deficit neutral. It was the most fiscally responsible piece of legislation since Clinton's budgets.

At the very least, it was far more fiscally responsible than anything the Republicans have passed in years. But the Republicans just continue to lie shamelessly.

And with a powerful propaganda arm in Fox News, those lies are spewed far and wide and taken for truth (because hey, if it’s on TV and “news” it must be true). We are talking a lot about how destructive Facebook is to our country, we need to think about Fox.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mental gymnastics that PPs are doing to defend the indefensible of Manchin obstructing this bill along with his GOP clown posse is hilarious. Oh it’s the economics - except it’s not. Oh it’s the budget - except it’s not. Oh it’s blah, blah, blah. Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces all in pursuit of power, big business interests, and fascism. Red states and their citizens would be the primary beneficiaries of the BBB. There would be some progress to stem climate change, some relief for working and middle class families.

But the GOP clown posse and Manchin (heretofore CP+M) are more interested in half truths and blockades that actually HURT their constituents, giving tax breaks to billionaires, and watching our planet shrivel and die. Oh, and march us toward fascism while they’re at it.

I hope this vote - and the fact that Manchin was aided by every single Republican - will not be forgotten. Vote in 2022 like your life depends on it. Because it does.

Well Democrats keep up this stupid hand waving rhetoric right into major losses in 2022.

In 2022 if people want to vote R because of rhetoric of poor economic wellbeing they will need to be strongly and loudly reminded that it's because of what Manchin and the Republicans did to sabotage their economic wellbeing.

Which they did entirely out of self interest and power and a desire to undercut Biden versus a desire to help American citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Give it a rest. The GOP would sign this if they crafted the bill. They’re purely interested in obstruction of anything that might be seen as a Biden win for their own power and at the expense of the millions of their constituents who would benefit from the bill. Stop pretending like that 50 has any interest in bi partisanship - or the growth, health, and prosperity of the 99%. They don’t. Which is why Manchin is so critical.

Some of you need to give it a rest.

Biden's infrastructure bill (the real infrastructure, not this social spending bill) passed 69-30. Additionally, the Senate Committee on the Judiciary is composed of 11 D's and 11 R's. Cloture rules say that 60% of the Judiciary committee (e.g.13 votes) to pass any judicial candidate to the full Senate for voting. And Biden has managed to get 40 judges approved, the most number of judges in one year since Reagan.

Look at the US Senate voting record. In 2021, there were 528 votes. There were many votes that had more than 50 affirmatives recorded. More than half of the first 100 (I didn't scroll through all 6 pages) recorded votes of more than 50 affirmatives.

While the Senate Republicans are regularly obstructions, saying that they are purely obstructionist is a gross over exaggeration. They are fighting for major issues that they as a party oppose, but they are not just voting against everything proposed by the Democrats or the POTUS just as an SOP. The media is painting the picture that the Senate Republicans refuse to cooperate on anything from the left but that just isn't the case. Most maybe, but not everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Give it a rest. The GOP would sign this if they crafted the bill. They’re purely interested in obstruction of anything that might be seen as a Biden win for their own power and at the expense of the millions of their constituents who would benefit from the bill. Stop pretending like that 50 has any interest in bi partisanship - or the growth, health, and prosperity of the 99%. They don’t. Which is why Manchin is so critical.

Some of you need to give it a rest.

Biden's infrastructure bill (the real infrastructure, not this social spending bill) passed 69-30. Additionally, the Senate Committee on the Judiciary is composed of 11 D's and 11 R's. Cloture rules say that 60% of the Judiciary committee (e.g.13 votes) to pass any judicial candidate to the full Senate for voting. And Biden has managed to get 40 judges approved, the most number of judges in one year since Reagan.

Look at the US Senate voting record. In 2021, there were 528 votes. There were many votes that had more than 50 affirmatives recorded. More than half of the first 100 (I didn't scroll through all 6 pages) recorded votes of more than 50 affirmatives.

While the Senate Republicans are regularly obstructions, saying that they are purely obstructionist is a gross over exaggeration. They are fighting for major issues that they as a party oppose, but they are not just voting against everything proposed by the Democrats or the POTUS just as an SOP. The media is painting the picture that the Senate Republicans refuse to cooperate on anything from the left but that just isn't the case. Most maybe, but not everything.

And yet, here we are.

[Anonymous]

Just now: manchin is willing to spend 1.8 trillion

But without CTC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I'll believe that when I hear it from Manchin's lips. Not believing a HuffPo story using only anonymous sources.

Yeah, right. Like Manchin is going to state this publicly.

They had 2 different sources confirm it. I believe it. Sounds absolutely legit that someone as wealthy and out of touch as Manchin would have such an opinion of his constituents. Why else would he ignore the overwhelming public approval of the BBB among West Virginians?

You are so out of touch on this forum. I am from WV. He’s right, and trying to fight the opioid crisis is a huge issue back home. His constituents won’t be offended at all, they want their family members to stop dying of overdoses.