Public Trump Impeachment Hearing Mega Thread

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ: Among the documents Lev Parnas has handed over to the House Intelligence Committee: text messages with Rudy Giuliani, former Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, former Hill columnist John Solomon and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, sources familiar with the matter say.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-tangle-over-calling-witnesses-in-trumps-senate-impeachment-trial-11578962869?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/rnLy8XeGIu

There are scores of GOP House and Senate members who Parnas donated to and where he was at private functions. His lawyer just posted an image of Parnas holding the gavel in then Senator Sessions seat in the committee room. Who gets that kind of access? Further, it is clearer that Dmitri Firtash funded the Parnas/Guiliani activities. Why are people defending this?

[Anonymous]

AP: GOP senators reject plans to dismiss Trump impeachment
https://apnews.com/6e5c0f64eadfd10e6850d59a0085d49c

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Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious to see Democrats presenting Pelosi as some sort of knight in shining armor after the fiasco with delaying the articles of impeachment.

The reality is that she totally caved when McConnell told her to go fly a kite and then Democratic senators told her enough was enough and that she has no say in what happens in the Senate.

People want witnesses, and apparently so do enough Senators that leaks are now asking people to lobby their senators against witnesses.

That seems to undermine your argument.

Citation that there are "enough Senators" ....... all I have seen are reports about Collins efforts but there is nothing definite.

Pelosi accomplished nothing. They know their case is so weak that they have to rely on additional witnesses. Quite honestly, the whole case should just be dismissed right from the start because it is baseless and totally partisan.

+1

And, let me remind Dems, Americans are not stupid.

The fact that many of them voted for Trump disproves that assertion.

On the contrary.

After voting Dem twice in a row, for an inexperienced candidate who made things worse, over 8 million Ameeicans chose to vote for the new alternative, Trump.

And thanks to them we live better today than we did back in 2016.

Do you folks care about the future? Do you honestly find Trump's fiscal, environmental, public health, and geopolitical policies sustainable?

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Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious to see Democrats presenting Pelosi as some sort of knight in shining armor after the fiasco with delaying the articles of impeachment.

The reality is that she totally caved when McConnell told her to go fly a kite and then Democratic senators told her enough was enough and that she has no say in what happens in the Senate.

People want witnesses, and apparently so do enough Senators that leaks are now asking people to lobby their senators against witnesses.

That seems to undermine your argument.

Citation that there are "enough Senators" ....... all I have seen are reports about Collins efforts but there is nothing definite.

Pelosi accomplished nothing. They know their case is so weak that they have to rely on additional witnesses. Quite honestly, the whole case should just be dismissed right from the start because it is baseless and totally partisan.

+1

And, let me remind Dems, Americans are not stupid.

The fact that many of them voted for Trump disproves that assertion.

On the contrary.

After voting Dem twice in a row, for an inexperienced candidate who made things worse, over 8 million Ameeicans chose to vote for the new alternative, Trump.

And thanks to them we live better today than we did back in 2016.

^^^ more evidence of American stupidity. Humanity is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CBS News: White House expects GOP defections on calling witnesses in Senate impeachment trial
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/impeachment-trial-white-house-expects-republican-defections-on-calling-new-witnesses-in-the-senate/?__twitter_impression=true

PBS NewsHour’s Yamiche Alcindor confirms CBS’s report and names names:
“Confirmed: A source tells me White House officials increasingly believe that at least four Republicans, and likely more, will vote to call witnesses at the Senate impeachment trial including Senators Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney and possibly Cory Gardner.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is hilarious to see Democrats presenting Pelosi as some sort of knight in shining armor after the fiasco with delaying the articles of impeachment.

The reality is that she totally caved when McConnell told her to go fly a kite and then Democratic senators told her enough was enough and that she has no say in what happens in the Senate.

People want witnesses, and apparently so do enough Senators that leaks are now asking people to lobby their senators against witnesses.

That seems to undermine your argument.

Citation that there are "enough Senators" ....... all I have seen are reports about Collins efforts but there is nothing definite.

Pelosi accomplished nothing. They know their case is so weak that they have to rely on additional witnesses. Quite honestly, the whole case should just be dismissed right from the start because it is baseless and totally partisan.

+1

And, let me remind Dems, Americans are not stupid.

The fact that many of them voted for Trump disproves that assertion.

On the contrary.

After voting Dem twice in a row, for an inexperienced candidate who made things worse, over 8 million Ameeicans chose to vote for the new alternative, Trump.

And thanks to them we live better today than we did back in 2016.

Obama left things worse than Bush left them? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Jut the fact that the Senate is trying to spin a trial starting *next week* is enough to show how much Trump is pressuring them. He wants to be able to claim he was exonerated by the Senate.

It isn't going to happen because Pelosi isn't sending the articles over until she knows what the rules are. Note, she has NEVER tried to dictate what those rules are, she wants to know so she knows who and how many to pick as House Managers.

The GOP can spin this however they want, but the fact is that the public is not with McConnell on this.

LOL. We'll see.
My bet is she sends them over within the week. Her little presser today showed that she is a bit short-tempered at being questioned about holding onto the articles. When you have Democrats questioning the wisdom of such a move, you are losing.
I don't think Trump is pressing them at all. He is fundraising off this fiasco.

You know who IS pressuring her? Booker, Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders....... They have good reason to want to get this over with.

Mitch is changing the rules to force the transmission of the articles by January 12 or else face a quick non-Article based "trial" - I say go for it, it will backfire bigly because the American public does NOT support that kind of action at all.

We'll see.
Nancy is like a cornered rat at this point. She had made a pretty big strategic blunder. I give her until Monday.

I was a couple days off..... but, close.

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The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

They still won't get 2/3.

And we are never getting that kind of voter turnout.

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Anonymous wrote:The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

They still won't get 2/3.

And we are never getting that kind of voter turnout.

You have to appreciate the optimism though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

I wouldn’t be so sure that Bolton’s testimony will go the way you think.
I agree with the pp - good job staying optimistic. Right now, it’s all that you’ve got.

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looks like this will all be over and we can move on to normal election cycle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jut the fact that the Senate is trying to spin a trial starting *next week* is enough to show how much Trump is pressuring them. He wants to be able to claim he was exonerated by the Senate.

It isn't going to happen because Pelosi isn't sending the articles over until she knows what the rules are. Note, she has NEVER tried to dictate what those rules are, she wants to know so she knows who and how many to pick as House Managers.

The GOP can spin this however they want, but the fact is that the public is not with McConnell on this.

LOL. We'll see.
My bet is she sends them over within the week. Her little presser today showed that she is a bit short-tempered at being questioned about holding onto the articles. When you have Democrats questioning the wisdom of such a move, you are losing.
I don't think Trump is pressing them at all. He is fundraising off this fiasco.

You know who IS pressuring her? Booker, Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders....... They have good reason to want to get this over with.

Mitch is changing the rules to force the transmission of the articles by January 12 or else face a quick non-Article based "trial" - I say go for it, it will backfire bigly because the American public does NOT support that kind of action at all.

We'll see.
Nancy is like a cornered rat at this point. She had made a pretty big strategic blunder. I give her until Monday.

I was a couple days off..... but, close.

Your timing was good. But she didn't make a strategic blunder. She played it well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

I wouldn’t be so sure that Bolton’s testimony will go the way you think.
I agree with the pp - good job staying optimistic. Right now, it’s all that you’ve got.

I don't trust Bolton, either. I think he has all kinds of "insider" and longterm professional considerations that will lead to a far more nuanced testimony than the outcome-shifting bombshell we might hope for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Senate is going to have a legitimate trial and at least 4 witnesses will be compelled to testify; or at a minimum, Bolton will, though don't be surprised if Lev Parnas becomes a witness to testify as well.

If Bolton does in fact testify and it goes consistent with Fiona Hill's testimony, the GOP are going to have a hard time not removing Trump from office. Even if the Senators that are in purple states vote to remove and there aren't enough total to remove, it will be a stain on the GOP that the 2020 elections will settle in terms of control of the Senate and White House.

Yes, Trump had 62 million voters in 2016. He likely has fewer than that now. But there are 285 million voters who will be awakened by such a travesty.

I wouldn’t be so sure that Bolton’s testimony will go the way you think.
I agree with the pp - good job staying optimistic. Right now, it’s all that you’ve got.

I don't trust Bolton, either. I think he has all kinds of "insider" and longterm professional considerations that will lead to a far more nuanced testimony than the outcome-shifting bombshell we might hope for.

Bolton is boxed in by Fiona Hill's and Vindman's testimony, and to some extent by Sondland's, because they all agree that Sondland brought up the investigations as a demand to the Ukrainian delegation at the White House and Bolton reacted strongly against him doing so. We also now have reports that Bolton and Esper met with Trump and asked him to release the security assistance and Trump refused. Bolton can't credibly deny that those things happened. Maybe he could try to blame it all on Giuliani and Sondland and Perry and Mulvaney, but only idiots would believe that they were not acting on Trump's instructions.