DA vs ECNL vs everything else

Anonymous
^^^Amazing coach resumes for VA Spirit! Those are some lucky girls!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:From the Spirit website (but hasn't been sent to the players yet):

Virginia DA
Director Tom Torres

Lisa Cole – 2005 Head Coach
George Hales – 2002 Head Coach / 2003 EDP Co-Coach
Spencer Henderson – 2004 & 2006 Head Coach / 2003 EDP Co-Coach
Tom Torres – 2000 Head Coach
Lyndse Hokanson – Goalkeepers
Jane Dawber – Assistant Coach / GFR Zone 1 Director
Holly Wiles – Assistant Coach
Lori Lindsey – Strength & Conditioning


05's made out big time
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From the Spirit website (but hasn't been sent to the players yet):

Virginia DA
Director Tom Torres

Lisa Cole – 2005 Head Coach
George Hales – 2002 Head Coach / 2003 EDP Co-Coach
Spencer Henderson – 2004 & 2006 Head Coach / 2003 EDP Co-Coach
Tom Torres – 2000 Head Coach
Lyndse Hokanson – Goalkeepers
Jane Dawber – Assistant Coach / GFR Zone 1 Director
Holly Wiles – Assistant Coach
Lori Lindsey – Strength & Conditioning


05's made out big time


That's definitely different than what we were expecting... I hope the both the players and coaches can really take advantage of this opportunity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to hear why they moved - if it was logistics/ convenience, issues with Spirit, worried about playing time (for 1 of them), desire to collect uniforms from every top club in the DMV, or costs.


Don't know the particular girls in question, but I do know girls (currently playing in college) who moved teams in the past post-commitment. Two years ago, the reason was commute. Once you have the college spot/maybe scholarship in hand, you can play for another high-level team. Now, I bet high school soccer factors into it more too. If you are playing DA, you commit early your junior year under the new NCAA rules, and you live in VA, you can move to an ECNL team that's closer to home to keep up your training level, AND play two spring seasons for your high school team before going to college. If you stay in DA, no high school. Location plus high school could easily explain Spirit DA players moving to BRYC ECNL.
Anonymous
^^^^

That's what a lot of the boys do.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to hear why they moved - if it was logistics/ convenience, issues with Spirit, worried about playing time (for 1 of them), desire to collect uniforms from every top club in the DMV, or costs.


Don't know the particular girls in question, but I do know girls (currently playing in college) who moved teams in the past post-commitment. Two years ago, the reason was commute. Once you have the college spot/maybe scholarship in hand, you can play for another high-level team. Now, I bet high school soccer factors into it more too. If you are playing DA, you commit early your junior year under the new NCAA rules, and you live in VA, you can move to an ECNL team that's closer to home to keep up your training level, AND play two spring seasons for your high school team before going to college. If you stay in DA, no high school. Location plus high school could easily explain Spirit DA players moving to BRYC ECNL.


I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer.
Anonymous


I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer

What your kid can gain from high school soccer is leadership skills and some level of player maturity which you really do not get in club. Mind you, high level travel with good coaching is also required, but high school soccer does have some real positives from both a soccer standpoint, and a maturity, growth and leadership view. Kids do not move from high school to college and walk in as a team captain. But, having that experience behind you is always going to be a good thing.

I would also add, playing different and even multiple positions in a game on a high school team is also a positive. My kid was a defender and wing defender pretty much her entire club career. It was interesting to find that every college coach saw her as a wing mid or attacking forward. In her 4 year college career she played less than 90 minutes as a defender. Her first two years she was just fighting to get time on the field anywhere. Ultimately, she ended up mid way through her Jr. year as the defensive center mid. Most of her club friends had similar experiences in college. Everyone on the team was a good club player so the kids fight for playing time anywhere on the field they can get it.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer

What your kid can gain from high school soccer is leadership skills and some level of player maturity which you really do not get in club. Mind you, high level travel with good coaching is also required, but high school soccer does have some real positives from both a soccer standpoint, and a maturity, growth and leadership view. Kids do not move from high school to college and walk in as a team captain. But, having that experience behind you is always going to be a good thing.

I would also add, playing different and even multiple positions in a game on a high school team is also a positive. My kid was a defender and wing defender pretty much her entire club career. It was interesting to find that every college coach saw her as a wing mid or attacking forward. In her 4 year college career she played less than 90 minutes as a defender. Her first two years she was just fighting to get time on the field anywhere. Ultimately, she ended up mid way through her Jr. year as the defensive center mid. Most of her club friends had similar experiences in college. Everyone on the team was a good club player so the kids fight for playing time anywhere on the field they can get it.



As much as I appreciate a good social experience, they can get leadership and maturity from other environments and activities. You don't need soccer for that. High school ball is a waste of time if they are a serious player. Now, if they are not, or they are just looking D2 or D3, I get it. Why not? Get the social benefits, the leadership, all that, but from a technical level, no, that experience isn't a good thing for a serious player. AND I myself played high school ball, so I speak from experience. One of my sons played it, and the other played DA. The one who played DA ended up a much better soccer player all around.

So yeah, a waste of time for the serious player.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer

What your kid can gain from high school soccer is leadership skills and some level of player maturity which you really do not get in club. Mind you, high level travel with good coaching is also required, but high school soccer does have some real positives from both a soccer standpoint, and a maturity, growth and leadership view. Kids do not move from high school to college and walk in as a team captain. But, having that experience behind you is always going to be a good thing.

I would also add, playing different and even multiple positions in a game on a high school team is also a positive. My kid was a defender and wing defender pretty much her entire club career. It was interesting to find that every college coach saw her as a wing mid or attacking forward. In her 4 year college career she played less than 90 minutes as a defender. Her first two years she was just fighting to get time on the field anywhere. Ultimately, she ended up mid way through her Jr. year as the defensive center mid. Most of her club friends had similar experiences in college. Everyone on the team was a good club player so the kids fight for playing time anywhere on the field they can get it.



if college players are fighting for playing time, why would they want to move out of the potentially highest environment to HS? I’d think you would want to roll into camp in august after a year of highest level, not something else.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer

What your kid can gain from high school soccer is leadership skills and some level of player maturity which you really do not get in club. Mind you, high level travel with good coaching is also required, but high school soccer does have some real positives from both a soccer standpoint, and a maturity, growth and leadership view. Kids do not move from high school to college and walk in as a team captain. But, having that experience behind you is always going to be a good thing.

I would also add, playing different and even multiple positions in a game on a high school team is also a positive. My kid was a defender and wing defender pretty much her entire club career. It was interesting to find that every college coach saw her as a wing mid or attacking forward. In her 4 year college career she played less than 90 minutes as a defender. Her first two years she was just fighting to get time on the field anywhere. Ultimately, she ended up mid way through her Jr. year as the defensive center mid. Most of her club friends had similar experiences in college. Everyone on the team was a good club player so the kids fight for playing time anywhere on the field they can get it.



if college players are fighting for playing time, why would they want to move out of the potentially highest environment to HS? I’d think you would want to roll into camp in august after a year of highest level, not something else.


It's not like they are not playing club at all if they joined an ECNL club. They would have a fairly intense fall club schedule, a lighter training schedule during HS spring season, and a handful of Spring tournaments/showcases. For now, at the older age groups, there isn't much talent dropoff in ECNL vs DA that it is hurting their continued development. Clearly they think there is more to gain as a person than there is to lose as a soccer player. Having the choice is a good thing IMO.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

It's not like they are not playing club at all if they joined an ECNL club. They would have a fairly intense fall club schedule, a lighter training schedule during HS spring season, and a handful of Spring tournaments/showcases. For now, at the older age groups, there isn't much talent dropoff in ECNL vs DA that it is hurting their continued development. Clearly they think there is more to gain as a person than there is to lose as a soccer player. Having the choice is a good thing IMO.



At least for now, in the DMV there is no talent dropoff from the DA to the ECNL teams in the HS age groups. If anything, ECNL is still more talented. At U18/19, McLean and FCV are clearly the top two teams, with the other teams being close together but well back. Rumor is FCV is picking up another top player from Spirit.

At U17, McLean then BRYC will be the top two teams (b/c FCV moved their top 02s to the 00/01 team, and Spirit lost their best 02s).

At U16, BRYC will probably be the best but I'm waiting to see the final rosters for that age group.

As others have said, it's at the younger age groups that we'll start to see the transition of talent from ECNL to DA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to hear why they moved - if it was logistics/ convenience, issues with Spirit, worried about playing time (for 1 of them), desire to collect uniforms from every top club in the DMV, or costs.


Don't know the particular girls in question, but I do know girls (currently playing in college) who moved teams in the past post-commitment. Two years ago, the reason was commute. Once you have the college spot/maybe scholarship in hand, you can play for another high-level team. Now, I bet high school soccer factors into it more too. If you are playing DA, you commit early your junior year under the new NCAA rules, and you live in VA, you can move to an ECNL team that's closer to home to keep up your training level, AND play two spring seasons for your high school team before going to college. If you stay in DA, no high school. Location plus high school could easily explain Spirit DA players moving to BRYC ECNL.


I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer.


I just figured out by the exact wording who it is that posted this
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m waiting to hear why they moved - if it was logistics/ convenience, issues with Spirit, worried about playing time (for 1 of them), desire to collect uniforms from every top club in the DMV, or costs.


Don't know the particular girls in question, but I do know girls (currently playing in college) who moved teams in the past post-commitment. Two years ago, the reason was commute. Once you have the college spot/maybe scholarship in hand, you can play for another high-level team. Now, I bet high school soccer factors into it more too. If you are playing DA, you commit early your junior year under the new NCAA rules, and you live in VA, you can move to an ECNL team that's closer to home to keep up your training level, AND play two spring seasons for your high school team before going to college. If you stay in DA, no high school. Location plus high school could easily explain Spirit DA players moving to BRYC ECNL.


I have to admit: for the serious player, I will never ever understand this high school ball obsession. It's such low quality soccer.


I just figured out by the exact wording who it is that posted this


I just doubt seriously that players care what this PARENT thinks anyways?!
Anonymous
Why do people think that HS soccer offers more leadership opportunities than club? I can understand it iif you are a role player for your club team and a star and captain on the HS team. But if you a captain and impact player on your club team, it seems you'd get the same leadership opportunities.
Anonymous
high school soccer offers the better social aspect and the chance to wear your school's name. 90% of the people out there have no idea what Bethesda Soccer or Mclean Soccer when they see a kid wearing that name.

Most of the kids who play club and high school are not playing beyond their senior year of high school. Yes, including your kids, some will, some will stop after a year, some will play all 4 years but then what?

you never hear people talking about their glory days of club sports, always high school.
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