Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Another American brutally murdered by Hamas… And yet we still don’t have American boots on the ground assisting the IDF in their vital mission.

A change in administration cannot come quick enough for our Israeli American population.

You are either Israeli or American. Go fight with your own blood and sons please.

My son moved to Israel and joined the IDF on October 8th, 2024. I have never been prouder of him. He is currently in the front lines making the Hamas pay.

That does not excuse our government’s abandonment of our closest international ally, Jewish people globally, and our own American citizens.

Let’s hope he’s doing what you say he’s doing and not making TikToks wearing stolen red panties.

American citizens should not be fighting in foreign armies. Your son is an Israeli now. We owe him nothing.

We owe Palestinians nothing. They elected a death cult to lead them. Choices have consequences.

Very few of the people alive today voted for Hamas

A majority of Palestines support Hamas. They support a terrorist group that id avowed to kill Jews and eradicate Israel and is a proxy for Iran. Choices have consequences.

The average Palestinian woman in Gaza has more than 6 children. They are obviously very wealthy to afford such large families. They don't need anyone's help. It's like helping Trump or Elon Musk with all their children. Barron Trump didn't vote for Republicans. Doesn't mean I owe Barron Trump anything.

Birth rate in Gaza is 3.38 children per woman. You lying moron.

According to the UN, it was 6.2 per woman in the early 2000s. Which is why there are so many young children in Gaza today. The decline to 3.38 is much more recent, but that's still well above twice the global norm. In any even, Palestinians in Gaza have a lot of children, much, much more than is normal than any other corner of the world.

Holy coded racist language! Do you now what other parts of the world have normal birth rates? What about Orthodox Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

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Anonymous wrote:Another American brutally murdered by Hamas… And yet we still don’t have American boots on the ground assisting the IDF in their vital mission.

A change in administration cannot come quick enough for our Israeli American population.

You are either Israeli or American. Go fight with your own blood and sons please.

My son moved to Israel and joined the IDF on October 8th, 2024. I have never been prouder of him. He is currently in the front lines making the Hamas pay.

That does not excuse our government’s abandonment of our closest international ally, Jewish people globally, and our own American citizens.

Let’s hope he’s doing what you say he’s doing and not making TikToks wearing stolen red panties.

American citizens should not be fighting in foreign armies. Your son is an Israeli now. We owe him nothing.

We owe Palestinians nothing. They elected a death cult to lead them. Choices have consequences.

Very few of the people alive today voted for Hamas

A majority of Palestines support Hamas. They support a terrorist group that id avowed to kill Jews and eradicate Israel and is a proxy for Iran. Choices have consequences.

The average Palestinian woman in Gaza has more than 6 children. They are obviously very wealthy to afford such large families. They don't need anyone's help. It's like helping Trump or Elon Musk with all their children. Barron Trump didn't vote for Republicans. Doesn't mean I owe Barron Trump anything.

Birth rate in Gaza is 3.38 children per woman. You lying moron.

According to the UN, it was 6.2 per woman in the early 2000s. Which is why there are so many young children in Gaza today. The decline to 3.38 is much more recent, but that's still well above twice the global norm. In any even, Palestinians in Gaza have a lot of children, much, much more than is normal than any other corner of the world.

Holy coded racist language! Do you now what other parts of the world have normal birth rates? What about Orthodox Jews?

This shouldn't even be an issue. The whole point of most religions is to "go forth and multiply."

Anyway, Gaza is a complex situation that isn't easily addressed through college protests and questioning of AIPAC and its connection to Congress. People are dying. The US, under Biden thus far, has sent billions and billions to Ukraine (which, geographically is like Israel -as it's a pathway toward the East the way Israel is a pathway toward the ME). And in the US, we can't even take care of our own homeless.

yeah - a win/win all the way!

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

Ethnic cleansing is bad

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

Ethnic cleansing is bad

Of course it is, but shifting a un uninhabitable refugee camp to more habitable land might be considered an improvement?

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

Ethnic cleansing is bad

Of course it is, but shifting a un uninhabitable refugee camp to more habitable land might be considered an improvement?

Let them resettle in Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

Ethnic cleansing is bad

Of course it is, but shifting a un uninhabitable refugee camp to more habitable land might be considered an improvement?

What will they grow? What will the make? What will they drink? is it recuperable in the short term? Seems like it will take many, many years of reconstruction if the arable land is destroyed. Is it healthy (psychologically and physically) for a generation to grow up in walled rubble? receiving handouts? Better to be in a place where the people can grow, work, eat, play, learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

Ethnic cleansing is bad

Of course it is, but shifting a un uninhabitable refugee camp to more habitable land might be considered an improvement?

Let them resettle in Israel.

They would have to lay down their arms and work with mediators, re educate. Otherwise that is not realistic considering how this conflict began in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

That betrays a complete lack of awareness of history. Jordan and Lebanon are certainly not taking any Palestinians. Read up on Black September and the Lebanese Civil War. In both countries, Palestinians sought to overthrow governments and caused great violence. They murdered the Jordanian prime minister and sought to assassinate the Hashemite king. Egypt is a fragile country as it is. Their biggest internal problem is the Muslim Brotherhood. Islamic extremists have already assassinated President Anwar Sadat. The last thing Egypt is doing is importing two million radicalized adherents of Hamas into an unstable and very poor country. And of course Palestinians can't go to the wealthy Gulf countries. Palestinians sided with Saddam Hussein during his invasion of Kuwait and were subsequently expelled when Kuwaitis got their country back. And since Palestinians are now allies of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Houthis in Yemen, they are regarded as Saudi Arabia's mortal enemy. And Gazans certainly aren't going to the West Bank. The West Bankers hate the Gazans. In 2005, it was Gazans that were throwing out Fatah leaders from windows when Hamas took power in Gaza. No one in the West Bank is giving up their land for the muslim extremists from Gaza.

The people in Gaza made their choices - even beyond their invasion of Israel. Gazans have nowhere to go. Gaza will always be their home. It's a shame they took the billions in aid that was given to them for infrastructure to build tunnels and buy weapons instead. Because those billions aren't coming back. Gazans made incredibly poor choices, and they will be living with them behind their walls for generations.

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Anonymous wrote:4,000 embryos destroyed as Israel bombed a fertility clinic in Gaza

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story?id=109350404

"Najwa came to our center in 2022. She had lost her 19-year-old son Khalil in a bombing near their home in Jabalia refugee camp. He was her only child and born after many failed IVF attempts," said Dr. Ghalayini. "She was devastated. We did two operations free of charge for her, we froze her embryos.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/war-halts-ivf-treatment-in-gaza-as-parents-mourn-miracle-children

It took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. That struggle against infertility lasted almost as long as her son Khaled’s short life. He was just seven years old when on 17 October an Israeli airstrike on Rafah, one of the first of the war, hit the family home.

Khaled was killed and Amal was plunged into a grief heightened by memories of her long battle to become a mother. Sometimes she struggles to keep going. “Death, in all its finality, seems less daunting than the relentless pain of living without Khaled,” she said. “He was the most precious thing in my life.”

So people were starved and desperate due to Israeli control in Gaza, but there are modern IVF clinics and infertility treatments?

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

That betrays a complete lack of awareness of history. Jordan and Lebanon are certainly not taking any Palestinians. Read up on Black September and the Lebanese Civil War. In both countries, Palestinians sought to overthrow governments and caused great violence. They murdered the Jordanian prime minister and sought to assassinate the Hashemite king. Egypt is a fragile country as it is. Their biggest internal problem is the Muslim Brotherhood. Islamic extremists have already assassinated President Anwar Sadat. The last thing Egypt is doing is importing two million radicalized adherents of Hamas into an unstable and very poor country. And of course Palestinians can't go to the wealthy Gulf countries. Palestinians sided with Saddam Hussein during his invasion of Kuwait and were subsequently expelled when Kuwaitis got their country back. And since Palestinians are now allies of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Houthis in Yemen, they are regarded as Saudi Arabia's mortal enemy. And Gazans certainly aren't going to the West Bank. The West Bankers hate the Gazans. In 2005, it was Gazans that were throwing out Fatah leaders from windows when Hamas took power in Gaza. No one in the West Bank is giving up their land for the muslim extremists from Gaza.

The people in Gaza made their choices - even beyond their invasion of Israel. Gazans have nowhere to go. Gaza will always be their home. It's a shame they took the billions in aid that was given to them for infrastructure to build tunnels and buy weapons instead. Because those billions aren't coming back. Gazans made incredibly poor choices, and they will be living with them behind their walls for generations.

West Bankers hate Israelis much more than Gazans.

As for the rest of your post, you don't understand the chasm between Arab governments and Arab people. Very typical of the American policy establishment to give lip service to human rights and democracy, and then turn around to fellate the various monarchs, dictators and authoritarian rulers in the Middle East.

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Anonymous wrote:Mustafa (not his real name), an anti-Hamas activist in his mid-30s living in Gaza who agreed to speak to The Times of Israel by email on condition of total anonymity, described life in the isolated enclave under the rule of Hamas and the Israeli blockade as an “open-air prison.”

Mustafa said that with over 70% youth unemployment and an average per capita income per day of NIS 20, or $5.5, intermittent access to electricity, and undrinkable tap water, life in the enclave is barely livable for the vast majority of citizens who are not somehow tied to Hamas.

Leaving the Strip requires at least $10,000 to be smuggled out illegally, with high chances of dying on the way to freedom, he added. This is all because “Gazan civilians are exploited as a pawn in a struggle between regional forces, and Hamas uses its citizens as human shields to defend its project of ‘Islamic resistance’ while it silences and threatens to kill any opposition,” he continued.

A professional who describes himself as a “liberal and a democrat” interested in “humanitarian issues and free citizenship,” Mustafa estimated that the current wave of demonstrations has only just begun, since in his view the protesters’ demands are not limited to electricity, but aimed at ultimately overthrowing “the military regime and the rule of the clerics.”

With regard to relations with the neighboring Jewish state, Mustafa expressed his wish for a Palestinian government with “new, clear and rational policies toward Israel and the occupation army, without regional alliances,” referring to Iran’s support for Hamas and other radical groups.

“The Israeli side looks at us as terrorists, not as people with dreams and aspirations,” Mustafa said. “But the reality is quite different: Most of the people of Gaza are innocent civilians living in dire humanitarian conditions. They only dream of a decent life, freedom, justice, peace and democratic elections.

“This is why people took to the streets. To demand their most basic rights, an improvement in their living conditions, an end to poverty, unemployment, the lack of water and electricity, and to protest the imposition of power by force, being silenced and spied on,” he said.

“You can divide the people of Gaza in two: a large majority living under the poverty line, and a small ruling elite affiliated with Hamas and other Islamist factions, who live off the funding received by the ‘resistance,’” he added.

From his personal perspective as a peace activist, Mustafa said that “these demonstrations do not come out of thin air.” In his words, they express the “conviction of the Gazan people that peace is the solution. Gazans want an end to the occupation and the Israeli siege, and they want an end to the bloodshed that has been going on for so many years.”

I don't really understand the relationship between Gaza and the West Bank. before this conflict, could Gazans have opted to live in the West Bank?

It’s much easier to move to Israel or Egypt than it is to move from gaza to the West Bank. With Egypt, you’ll just need cash to bribe an Egyptian soldier or truck driver to smuggle you over.

If a Palestinian wants to apply to move to Israel, they have to forfeit traveling to west bank or Gaza ever again and note that some things are illegal in Israel like raising a Palestinian flag or mentioning the Nakba.

You’d be surprised how many Palestinians are ok with this if it means their safety is guaranteed in Israel from Israeli bombs or Palestinian corruption.

So the situation is a splintered community impossible of making one unified state which perfectly serves israel. People in Gaza are in Gaza and have never seen the WB Palestinians outside of Facebook and people in the WB have never seen the Gazans and the Israeli Palestinians are the biggest oddities of all as they don’t see anybody as they have to say they are Arab and aren’t allowed to say Palestinian. They have to say they’re Israeli. Their communications in Israel are also all monitored.

The Hamas leaders have family members inside Israel as it’s not unusual these days for many Palestinians to have Israeli family members. Haniyehs sisters lived in Israel and his nephews even were in the idf.

It’s not unusual for certain parts of families to just never see each other in person anymore (only via email and social media communication) because one man of a family decided to permanently move his fam to Israel and work there

What is this magical application process for Palestinians to move to Israel? Are you on drugs? Are you aware Israelis married to Palestinians can’t even bring their spouses to live together and Israel? But hallelujah, there is a secret source on DCUM that knows it’s easy. Tell us!

I didn’t say it’s easy. I said it’s easier for a Palestinian to move to Israel or to Egypt than to the West Bank.

To move to Israel, they have to permanently forfeit that they’re Palestinian and if they move to Egypt, that also helps Israel because they won’t return. The idea of Israel is to erase the Palestinian identity and the idea that it deserves any state at all.

It’s not even easy to go from one West Bank town to another these days because of the settlements. The entire mentality of Israel is Palestine doesn’t exist, didn’t exist, and shouldn’t exist as a continuous state and allowing cross border entry from Gaza to the WB to ans fro is impossible. Therefore, Palestine as a state can’t even be a functional country that can succeed

I’m gonna be real blunt : there is no legal process for a Palestinian to move to Israel. I don’t know what you’re on about but there just isn’t.

I guess I'm wondering how Gaza will ever "succeed" even if rebuilt. Seems like it's a bombed out concrete strip riddled with toxic waste and tunnels. Better to resettle everyone there somewhere more hospitable- like the West Bank? And then they could consolidate power and identity a little more, hopefully with more moderate leadership and education than under Hamas. I'm fine with handing over illegal settlements in the WB to Gazans, and give Gaza Strip to the illegal settler types to rebuild I guess.

They can’t leave Gaza. You’re stuck where you are unless you can leave to Egypt somehow. The best way to leave ironically is to have a male relative join Hamas. That’s the best way to leave because once he makes money, he can get his family out to Egypt. Israel isn’t paying much attention to Egypt with this war but they should because they’re the key to this not Iran.

Egypt is a poor country these days so it isn’t on Israel’s radar like Iran is but they knew enough about Hamas to warn Israel ahead of time about 10/7. For some reason, Egyptian intel always gets ignored by the Israelis and US even though it’s accurate

Egypt doesn't want an influx of Palestinians. They have been battling the Muslim Bortherhood (ie Iran) so are inclined to have a role in the conflict, but don't want an influx of Hamas. That being said, resettlement of the vetted civilians in the WB, Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon is probably what needs to happen. Is Gaza even habitable" Everyone on these threads keeps saying it is not.

How is the Muslim Brotherhood ie Iran?

Muslim Brotherhood is the mother of Hamas and Mossad is the stepfather. Iran is just the sugar daddy for now, but the mother and the one they always frequent is Egypt because it’s a hop and a skip away from Hamas in Gaza

Muslim Brotherhood is like the Republican Party of Egypt -a Sunni Arab group that wants social and religious conservatism in Egypt a country that has many Coptic Christians. Most Egyptians reject the Muslim Brotherhood as it is antithetical to their multi faith country.

Egypt is very important historically for Islamic study and learning classical Arabic so most of the clerics go there. That’s why Egypt has top shelf intel. Egypt is like a strange country because it’s the intellectual and international heart of the Middle East with the American U and attracts the clerics with all the Islamic universities and then the Egyptologists who study ancient Egyptian history. Even for Jewish history, many rabbis and Jewish scholars studied in Cairo or Alexandria. Because it’s a huge political center, it is where Israel and the US should focus its attention to.

Hamas has more money and a larger payroll than the Egyptian military which is on paper supposed to be anti-Hamas and anti-Muslim Brotherhood.

If even 2 Egyptian soldiers are bribed or on Hamas’ payroll, that makes things difficult for Israel.

Israel keeps focusing on Iran to its detriment when the key to actually fighting Hamas is isolating Hamas’ connections in Egypt. Egypt is the life force for Hamas and according to Saudi intelligence reports, some Israeli hostages and Sinwar fled to Egypt last year in December very early on in this war

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Egypt for the most part usually was very hard on Hamas and saw them and the Muslim Brotherhood as their number 1 threat but lately since 2019, much like Israel neglected Hamas to focus on Iran they’ve neglected Hamas to shift their attention to Ethiopia for some reason because they’re upset about the Nile River dam Ethiopia built.

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Anonymous wrote:4,000 embryos destroyed as Israel bombed a fertility clinic in Gaza

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story?id=109350404

"Najwa came to our center in 2022. She had lost her 19-year-old son Khalil in a bombing near their home in Jabalia refugee camp. He was her only child and born after many failed IVF attempts," said Dr. Ghalayini. "She was devastated. We did two operations free of charge for her, we froze her embryos.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/war-halts-ivf-treatment-in-gaza-as-parents-mourn-miracle-children

It took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. That struggle against infertility lasted almost as long as her son Khaled’s short life. He was just seven years old when on 17 October an Israeli airstrike on Rafah, one of the first of the war, hit the family home.

Khaled was killed and Amal was plunged into a grief heightened by memories of her long battle to become a mother. Sometimes she struggles to keep going. “Death, in all its finality, seems less daunting than the relentless pain of living without Khaled,” she said. “He was the most precious thing in my life.”

So people were starved and desperate due to Israeli control in Gaza, but there are modern IVF clinics and infertility treatments?

Because Palestinians are some of the most educated people in the world. Like the Jews, they know how to survive against the harshest conditions.

Yes, there are more Gazan doctors and nurses per square mile in Gaza even though Israel keeps kidnapping or killing them.

Israel doesn’t kill losers like terrorists that often. They kill professionals first (doctors, pharmacists, journalists). Those are usually their prime kills