Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify: he lied before he knew the gravity of the situation.

what did he lie about?

Here's a possible scenario: he delivered part of the money, keeping some of it for himself. The discrepancies in his statements might be CYA relating to missing money. Possible consequence: when the murderers noticed the total fell far short, they became enraged, and took their anger out on their victims.

My guess is he *probably* didn't have anything directly to do with these murders, but something prompted his lies. The court documents are explicit on the point - he lied in his statements to the police.

Well SS would know if he didn't deliver all the money if was supposed to live? Doesn't add up, SS would of sent him to jail too.

Didn't the assistant indicate that the car door where he left the money wasn't secured?

That was one of his lies: He stated that the car was locked, he located a key, put the money on the front seat, closed the door and locked the car. I have no clue why he made that up of how the cops even got that part out of him(maybe he didn't have access to that key) Idk but the kid is weird with his lies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

Maybe the posting of the pics / text msgs to a random friend were actually tip offs....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

He texted a pic of half of the money. two bundles of 10K each.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe initially he thought he would be fired by SS if he did not cover for him...and he really liked this new job with all the toys....

All I can go by are the facts we have been presented with. For LE to bring up that the assistant lied in the charging documents is substantial.

Maybe? The supposed assistant has deleted all his online accounts too. FB, Twitter, Pintrest. The only one still up I suppose he can't delete because of the sponsors?

If your social media sites were being poured over by the media and police and dcum you'd get rid of them pretty fast . If you realized that your social media network put you directly or indirectly in communication with people like Wint and may have precipitated this crime you'd do so even faster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

Again because he never thought that it would have led to this. The lies, the fascination and photos of their cars, the texting of a picture of the money, fired from a job, only worked for SS for 2 months... That's a long list of facts to just dismiss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

Again because he never thought that it would have led to this. The lies, the fascination and photos of their cars, the texting of a picture of the money, fired from a job, only worked for SS for 2 months... That's a long list of facts to just dismiss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

Again because he never thought that it would have led to this. The lies, the fascination and photos of their cars, the texting of a picture of the money, fired from a job, only worked for SS for 2 months... That's a long list of facts to just dismiss.

IF assistant had for the past two months somehow been in contact with one or more Wints and IF said assistant had over that time been posting pics of bosses cars and bosses cash and bosses house and who knows want else that is a bad combination

[Anonymous]

Re the assistant:

- it's mentioned in the charging docs because if the police failed to disclose the discrepancy a competent attorney would eat the admissibility of the witness statements to shreds. It's in there to make sure that the warrants validity holds.

- the premise that the assistant kept some of the money is silly. Had SS lived he would have been immediately discovered.

- I also don't believe that someone involved in the murder would be so foolish as to text photos of evidence to friends, lie to the police and then admit the lies.

My take:

- Dude worked at some no name go kart racing field. Meets exceptionally successful CEO, befriends him, earns a job driving bentleys and Porsches around town. Picks up ridiculous amounts of cash and probably routinely witnesses business deals, checks, jewelry, dinners, parties etc all far far above any he's ever seen before. He's enamored: he's living the high life.

- Guy gets $40k, delivers it. Maybe he thinks its off, maybe he doesn't. The Instagram / texting of it is just more of his
flaunting it because "holy shit, check out how baller my boss is. Dude gets $40k like its pocket change."

- Lies about minor details: my guess is he thought maybe he was in trouble for bringing cash around or maybe because he thought he fucked up by not locking the car.

- his deleting his fb and shit seems totally normal. the murder made the front page of CNN. It's national news. Half this forum thinks he's in on it. I'd delete that shit too. So would anyone semi rational.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The assistant may have thought that this was just supposed to be about the theft of the $$, and never imagined that it would turn into a quadruple homicide and fire.

This sounds possible and highly likely to me

Stop with the assistant already! I wish we knew more about him/her, but the most likely scenario is that this person is just a fucking jackass. (They apparently got let go from a fucking go karting job for chrissakes.) The pink-pants wearer would've probably been scared shitless to be alone in a room with Wint. Why text a pic of money if you are then going to commit a crime involving said money?

Again because he never thought that it would have led to this. The lies, the fascination and photos of their cars, the texting of a picture of the money, fired from a job, only worked for SS for 2 months... That's a long list of facts to just dismiss.

So are people still thinking that the $40k was anything other than $ procured by SS under duress? The ONLY reason the $ came into play was SS buying time to figure out how to save his family. The evidence is overwhelming in this respect. The police know this.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Re the assistant:

- it's mentioned in the charging docs because if the police failed to disclose the discrepancy a competent attorney would eat the admissibility of the witness statements to shreds. It's in there to make sure that the warrants validity holds.

- the premise that the assistant kept some of the money is silly. Had SS lived he would have been immediately discovered.

- I also don't believe that someone involved in the murder would be so foolish as to text photos of evidence to friends, lie to the police and then admit the lies.

My take:

- Dude worked at some no name go kart racing field. Meets exceptionally successful CEO, befriends him, earns a job driving bentleys and Porsches around town. Picks up ridiculous amounts of cash and probably routinely witnesses business deals, checks, jewelry, dinners, parties etc all far far above any he's ever seen before. He's enamored: he's living the high life.

- Guy gets $40k, delivers it. Maybe he thinks its off, maybe he doesn't. The Instagram / texting of it is just more of his
flaunting it because "holy shit, check out how baller my boss is. Dude gets $40k like its pocket change."

- Lies about minor details: my guess is he thought maybe he was in trouble for bringing cash around or maybe because he thought he fucked up by not locking the car.

- his deleting his fb and shit seems totally normal. the murder made the front page of CNN. It's national news. Half this forum thinks he's in on it. I'd delete that shit too. So would anyone semi rational.

I agree totally with this and will add that many of the posters here seem to think the assistant lied about a lot more than he did (either that or I am misreading the charging document). Whether the car was locked or the money was in a manilla envelop or red bag don't seem to be big deals to me. The difference between a text in Wednesday or a phone call on Thursday is a bit bigger, but can easily be a mistake.

[Anonymous]

There are privacy settings on all social media outlets......

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re the assistant:

- it's mentioned in the charging docs because if the police failed to disclose the discrepancy a competent attorney would eat the admissibility of the witness statements to shreds. It's in there to make sure that the warrants validity holds.

- the premise that the assistant kept some of the money is silly. Had SS lived he would have been immediately discovered.

- I also don't believe that someone involved in the murder would be so foolish as to text photos of evidence to friends, lie to the police and then admit the lies.

My take:

- Dude worked at some no name go kart racing field. Meets exceptionally successful CEO, befriends him, earns a job driving bentleys and Porsches around town. Picks up ridiculous amounts of cash and probably routinely witnesses business deals, checks, jewelry, dinners, parties etc all far far above any he's ever seen before. He's enamored: he's living the high life.

- Guy gets $40k, delivers it. Maybe he thinks its off, maybe he doesn't. The Instagram / texting of it is just more of his
flaunting it because "holy shit, check out how baller my boss is. Dude gets $40k like its pocket change."

- Lies about minor details: my guess is he thought maybe he was in trouble for bringing cash around or maybe because he thought he fucked up by not locking the car.

- his deleting his fb and shit seems totally normal. the murder made the front page of CNN. It's national news. Half this forum thinks he's in on it. I'd delete that shit too. So would anyone semi rational.

I agree totally with this and will add that many of the posters here seem to think the assistant lied about a lot more than he did (either that or I am misreading the charging document). Whether the car was locked or the money was in a manilla envelop or red bag don't seem to be big deals to me. The difference between a text in Wednesday or a phone call on Thursday is a bit bigger, but can easily be a mistake.

Yes. PP and Jeff are correct. Let it go, people. (I guess the only silver lining of this red herring is that no one can accuse anyone of being racist for suspecting the assistant since race is unknown.)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re the assistant:

- it's mentioned in the charging docs because if the police failed to disclose the discrepancy a competent attorney would eat the admissibility of the witness statements to shreds. It's in there to make sure that the warrants validity holds.

- the premise that the assistant kept some of the money is silly. Had SS lived he would have been immediately discovered.

- I also don't believe that someone involved in the murder would be so foolish as to text photos of evidence to friends, lie to the police and then admit the lies.

My take:

- Dude worked at some no name go kart racing field. Meets exceptionally successful CEO, befriends him, earns a job driving bentleys and Porsches around town. Picks up ridiculous amounts of cash and probably routinely witnesses business deals, checks, jewelry, dinners, parties etc all far far above any he's ever seen before. He's enamored: he's living the high life.

- Guy gets $40k, delivers it. Maybe he thinks its off, maybe he doesn't. The Instagram / texting of it is just more of his
flaunting it because "holy shit, check out how baller my boss is. Dude gets $40k like its pocket change."

- Lies about minor details: my guess is he thought maybe he was in trouble for bringing cash around or maybe because he thought he fucked up by not locking the car.

- his deleting his fb and shit seems totally normal. the murder made the front page of CNN. It's national news. Half this forum thinks he's in on it. I'd delete that shit too. So would anyone semi rational.

I agree totally with this and will add that many of the posters here seem to think the assistant lied about a lot more than he did (either that or I am misreading the charging document). Whether the car was locked or the money was in a manilla envelop or red bag don't seem to be big deals to me. The difference between a text in Wednesday or a phone call on Thursday is a bit bigger, but can easily be a mistake.

If we thought he messed up by not locking the car then way make up a story saying they went to the bank of america and met with the manager when they did not. The other witness told police they did not, I'm sure bank manager and cameras confirmed this too. The other witness proved he was lying by showing the police his texts. The place where he got fired from is not some no name place and if the rumor mill is correct around where he lives then he had a high position and was in the media quite often.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:If we thought he messed up by not locking the car then way make up a story saying they went to the bank of america and met with the manager when they did not. The other witness told police they did not, I'm sure bank manager and cameras confirmed this too. The other witness proved he was lying by showing the police his texts. The place where he got fired from is not some no name place and if the rumor mill is correct around where he lives then he had a high position and was in the media quite often.

This is a perfect example of one of the two of us reading the charging document wrong. By my reading, he went to the bank in either scenario. The question was whether the money was provided to the other employee in a manilla envelope or a red bag. The assistant originally said he saw the bank manager hand the employee a manilla envelope. Then he admitted that the employee had taken the money from his pockets and placed it in a red bag that the assistant had. But, in both cases, the transfer of the money appears to have taken place at the bank. They employee says the money was withdrawn from the bank, not from under a table as has been alleged earlier in this thread.