CTCL schools

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that my child was offered an incredible job before she graduated from a CTCL school by a very loyal and very successful alum. Our experience is that the alum network can be very strong among these schools and they return with money and job/internship opportunities for current students. Obviously this happens at lots of schools. But CTCLs are usually small schools so the chance to benefit from other grads is big.

[/b]Your kid went to one school. You're not in any position to talk about any other [b] That's the fallacy of the whole CTCL label.

You could say the same about schools of any ranking.

Exactly. You’ve just made my point.

You’re not in a position to talk about a school your kid didn’t attend. Agree?

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Anonymous wrote:The CTCL-basher trolls are obvious and repetetive.

Not trolls… the vast majority of people, period, will think the CTCL moniker is weird and a bit desperate.

“Vast majority”? And you know this…how?

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Anonymous wrote:Oberlin is less selective than top NESCACs and more selective than most or all CTCLs. Several in my very selective law school went to Oberlin (more than CTCLs like Whitman, Lawrence, Kalamazoo, Millsaps, etc.) I myself did not go to Oberlin.

Name the law school so we can see for ourselves how many went to CTCL schools undergrad. You can do that easily without outing yourself, and it will give you the credibility that right now you are lacking.

I think the PP is saying the opposite. That a bunch of people went to Oberlin but much fewer went to CTCLs schools.

I know a number of people who went to Oberlin and then Michigan law. A surprising number actually. I went to a different law school and didn’t know anyone who went to Oberlin but I am sure this varies from year to year.

Yep. You're right. I stand corrected. But Oberlin is not some low rent CTCL school. It's in a higher league. CTCL schools are NOT filling up elite law schools with their graduates, believe me.

Come on. Your post would have been accurate 20-30 years ago, but Oberlin is in decline. It's the third best LAC in Ohio now, behind Kenyon and Dennison (a CTCL, interestingly). It's not "low rent," but neither are the better CTCL schools.

Once again, for those of you in the back: It’s Denison, with one n.

Also, cite your source.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone attended a CTCL fair? I just got a mailing that they are doing a nationwide tour in August.

I recommend them highly. My DC and I went early on (maybe junior year). It really impacted the direction of our search. NOT because they were pushing their own schools, but because they advocate an approach/philosophy that is very healthy.

They explain "fit" and why it matters. They recommend against kids competing with their friends in the search process. They give tips on how to minimize parent-child tension along the way. I really do recommend that you attend, and try to get your child to sit in as well. It set a great tone for our search, and my DC was very successful.

They're basically trying to sooth your ego over the fact that an elite college isn’t in the cards for your kid and are hoping that in the end the subtle sales pitch has you applying to one or more of their overpriced schools.

Depends on what you mean by overpriced. They’re no more expensive than state schools for most kids.

There were a couple of CTCLs on DC's list that would have likely been cheaper than going to UVA/W&M for us.

Ha ha maybe but none of them even approaches the same league as these schools so you get what you pay for. Nobody is turning down UVA for a silly CTCL school.

My DC did in fact turn down UVA for a CTCL school.

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Anonymous wrote:The CTCL-basher trolls are obvious and repetetive.

Not trolls… the vast majority of people, period, will think the CTCL moniker is weird and a bit desperate.

“Vast majority”? And you know this…how?

The same way I would know that the vast majority of people would think the PLOP schools are bogus.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone attended a CTCL fair? I just got a mailing that they are doing a nationwide tour in August.

I recommend them highly. My DC and I went early on (maybe junior year). It really impacted the direction of our search. NOT because they were pushing their own schools, but because they advocate an approach/philosophy that is very healthy.

They explain "fit" and why it matters. They recommend against kids competing with their friends in the search process. They give tips on how to minimize parent-child tension along the way. I really do recommend that you attend, and try to get your child to sit in as well. It set a great tone for our search, and my DC was very successful.

They're basically trying to sooth your ego over the fact that an elite college isn’t in the cards for your kid and are hoping that in the end the subtle sales pitch has you applying to one or more of their overpriced schools.

Depends on what you mean by overpriced. They’re no more expensive than state schools for most kids.

There were a couple of CTCLs on DC's list that would have likely been cheaper than going to UVA/W&M for us.

Ha ha maybe but none of them even approaches the same league as these schools so you get what you pay for. Nobody is turning down UVA for a silly CTCL school.

My DC did in fact turn down UVA for a CTCL school.

Frankly, I don't believe you. Name the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that my child was offered an incredible job before she graduated from a CTCL school by a very loyal and very successful alum. Our experience is that the alum network can be very strong among these schools and they return with money and job/internship opportunities for current students. Obviously this happens at lots of schools. But CTCLs are usually small schools so the chance to benefit from other grads is big.

[/b]Your kid went to one school. You're not in any position to talk about any other [b] That's the fallacy of the whole CTCL label.

You could say the same about schools of any ranking.

Exactly. You’ve just made my point.

You’re not in a position to talk about a school your kid didn’t attend. Agree?

Not the point. I'm not talking about any particular school. I'm talking about the stupid "CTCL" label. This poster cannot extrapolate her kid's experience at whatever weird school the kid attended and apply it to, say, Evergreen State College simply because both are so-called CTCL schools. Get serious.

[Anonymous]

You really need to pay a professional who can help you figure out why you can’t give your crusade a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:You really need to pay a professional who can help you figure out why you can’t give your crusade a rest.

There are more than one of us. How many are you?

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I'm not kidding, there are at least three people on this page alone that think the CTCL name/shenanigan is weird. It's not one person. Far from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not kidding, there are at least three people on this page alone that think the CTCL name/shenanigan is weird. It's not one person. Far from it.

There’s more than one person who thinks the obsession with “disproving” the CTCL label is creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not kidding, there are at least three people on this page alone that think the CTCL name/shenanigan is weird. It's not one person. Far from it.

Why do you care so much? I mean someone wrote a book and then the schools formed a non profit and website. But if these schools don’t matter than why do you care that they did that?

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PLOP schools > CTCL schools, by a long shot

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not kidding, there are at least three people on this page alone that think the CTCL name/shenanigan is weird. It's not one person. Far from it.

Why do you care so much? I mean someone wrote a book and then the schools formed a non profit and website. But if these schools don’t matter than why do you care that they did that?

I'm not that poster. I'm another poster who thinks the whole CTCL thing is weird. And I'll tell you why: because that's my opinion. So now I'll ask you: what do you feel so compelled to talk up CTCL schools? So you can feel that your kid is getting a "special" college education when they're actually just getting a second tier one?