How do you tell a child they life they knew is over?

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No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade


It’s anecdotal but know of man in 60s in Florida who refused to get shot due to having COVID before . He died in August after horrible weeks in ICU. Get the shot!


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

After "horrible" weeks in the ICU. You fearmongers always have to appeal to emotion, don't you?

You think he was having fun in the ICU? Have you ever dealt with a loved one in there? It's not pretty.

Adjectives are what emotional people use. I have no use for emotional people who manipulate for political gain.

Um....

You really can't tell the difference? Keep on appealing to emotion. Get your vaxport. Jab your five-year-old. I will never forgive you for destroying my life.

NP, but…where do you live??? We are in NoVA. Oldest DD just started Kindergarten fully in person. Younger DD is in daycare, which reopened over a year ago. We aren’t flying anywhere, but we visit local family any time we want (indoors, unmasked), spent lots of time at the pool this summer, have gone to several amusement parks and the zoo, took a lovely beach vacation, and basically are living our lives normally. I don’t get why you think your life has been destroyed. Care to explain what you can no longer do?

I personally can't wear a mask for over 15-20 minutes without a panic attack. Used to travel to customers once a week, but I haven't been able to fly since last June. I tried. I couldn't board, because I was gasping for air and crying. My company has closed its main office and made all the consultant positions into remote. My mental health has taken a nosedive, because I need to be around people. My friends have 90% ditched me for being irresponsible enough to have my kids at an in-person private school. I've gained 30 pounds from the antidepressants I've needed because of all this and spent all my fun money on therapy. I am trying SO hard, but yes. I can't work in-person. I can't make new friends because everyone thinks I'm an anti-masker. I can't travel.

So I'm glad life is normal for you, but it's not normal for me. And I miss it.

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No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade


It’s anecdotal but know of man in 60s in Florida who refused to get shot due to having COVID before . He died in August after horrible weeks in ICU. Get the shot!


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

After "horrible" weeks in the ICU. You fearmongers always have to appeal to emotion, don't you?

You think he was having fun in the ICU? Have you ever dealt with a loved one in there? It's not pretty.

Adjectives are what emotional people use. I have no use for emotional people who manipulate for political gain.

Um....

You really can't tell the difference? Keep on appealing to emotion. Get your vaxport. Jab your five-year-old. I will never forgive you for destroying my life.

NP, but…where do you live??? We are in NoVA. Oldest DD just started Kindergarten fully in person. Younger DD is in daycare, which reopened over a year ago. We aren’t flying anywhere, but we visit local family any time we want (indoors, unmasked), spent lots of time at the pool this summer, have gone to several amusement parks and the zoo, took a lovely beach vacation, and basically are living our lives normally. I don’t get why you think your life has been destroyed. Care to explain what you can no longer do?

I personally can't wear a mask for over 15-20 minutes without a panic attack. Used to travel to customers once a week, but I haven't been able to fly since last June. I tried. I couldn't board, because I was gasping for air and crying. My company has closed its main office and made all the consultant positions into remote. My mental health has taken a nosedive, because I need to be around people. My friends have 90% ditched me for being irresponsible enough to have my kids at an in-person private school. I've gained 30 pounds from the antidepressants I've needed because of all this and spent all my fun money on therapy. I am trying SO hard, but yes. I can't work in-person. I can't make new friends because everyone thinks I'm an anti-masker. I can't travel.

So I'm glad life is normal for you, but it's not normal for me. And I miss it.

Try to make friends with Eastern Europeans if you know any. They are very reasonable about masks. I am sorry you are going through this

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No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade


It’s anecdotal but know of man in 60s in Florida who refused to get shot due to having COVID before . He died in August after horrible weeks in ICU. Get the shot!


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

After "horrible" weeks in the ICU. You fearmongers always have to appeal to emotion, don't you?

You think he was having fun in the ICU? Have you ever dealt with a loved one in there? It's not pretty.

Adjectives are what emotional people use. I have no use for emotional people who manipulate for political gain.

Um....

You really can't tell the difference? Keep on appealing to emotion. Get your vaxport. Jab your five-year-old. I will never forgive you for destroying my life.

NP, but…where do you live??? We are in NoVA. Oldest DD just started Kindergarten fully in person. Younger DD is in daycare, which reopened over a year ago. We aren’t flying anywhere, but we visit local family any time we want (indoors, unmasked), spent lots of time at the pool this summer, have gone to several amusement parks and the zoo, took a lovely beach vacation, and basically are living our lives normally. I don’t get why you think your life has been destroyed. Care to explain what you can no longer do?

I personally can't wear a mask for over 15-20 minutes without a panic attack. Used to travel to customers once a week, but I haven't been able to fly since last June. I tried. I couldn't board, because I was gasping for air and crying. My company has closed its main office and made all the consultant positions into remote. My mental health has taken a nosedive, because I need to be around people. My friends have 90% ditched me for being irresponsible enough to have my kids at an in-person private school. I've gained 30 pounds from the antidepressants I've needed because of all this and spent all my fun money on therapy. I am trying SO hard, but yes. I can't work in-person. I can't make new friends because everyone thinks I'm an anti-masker. I can't travel.

So I'm glad life is normal for you, but it's not normal for me. And I miss it.

Eek! Definitely move. I did, and after 3 years of struggling with secondary infertility got pregnant 2 months in. Stress melted off. DC is so toxic.

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Why is your life over? We got vaccinated except one kid who's too young and basically moved on. Schools are open, we've eaten in restaurants, gotten on planes, went on vacations, had parties etc. Sure, you need to wear a mask on planes, schools and in DC (though not elsewhere we've been - if masks bother you that much, move to most of the country which does not require them.) But except the mask thing, which is a minor inconvenience at most unless you are a person with mask issues, life is basically back to normal.

If you are terribly medically fragile, very elderly, or incredibly risk averse, it's probably not the same but most people don't fall into that category and the first two categories have always had to be careful (and the last category is creating their own problems.) Move on, COVID is gonna be endemic and is always going to be with us in some form. Get vaccinated, take good care of your health in general so you won't be high risk, and accept the fact that life always has some degree of risk and uncertainty and you can't get rid of it. And then live your life.

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You sound crazy. I have a five year old, so not yet vaxxed. We spent the summer seeing everyone we love, traveling just within our state, going to our local beaches and amusement parks.

We avoided plane travel, travel outside of our state and no indoor gatherings for anyone who could pose a higher risk or who themselves is at a higher risk. Now he is back to school with a mask. The vast majority of kids don’t mind masks and wear them without issue.

The vaccine should be ready sometime this winter. There will always be variants. There will be new boosters and adjusted vaccines. Some people and places may opt or require masks during the school year. So other than an extra shot at flu season and wearing a mask when required or desired, life should look pretty much the same.

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No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade


It’s anecdotal but know of man in 60s in Florida who refused to get shot due to having COVID before . He died in August after horrible weeks in ICU. Get the shot!


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

After "horrible" weeks in the ICU. You fearmongers always have to appeal to emotion, don't you?

You think he was having fun in the ICU? Have you ever dealt with a loved one in there? It's not pretty.

Adjectives are what emotional people use. I have no use for emotional people who manipulate for political gain.

Um....

You really can't tell the difference? Keep on appealing to emotion. Get your vaxport. Jab your five-year-old. I will never forgive you for destroying my life.

NP, but…where do you live??? We are in NoVA. Oldest DD just started Kindergarten fully in person. Younger DD is in daycare, which reopened over a year ago. We aren’t flying anywhere, but we visit local family any time we want (indoors, unmasked), spent lots of time at the pool this summer, have gone to several amusement parks and the zoo, took a lovely beach vacation, and basically are living our lives normally. I don’t get why you think your life has been destroyed. Care to explain what you can no longer do?

I personally can't wear a mask for over 15-20 minutes without a panic attack. Used to travel to customers once a week, but I haven't been able to fly since last June. I tried. I couldn't board, because I was gasping for air and crying. My company has closed its main office and made all the consultant positions into remote. My mental health has taken a nosedive, because I need to be around people. My friends have 90% ditched me for being irresponsible enough to have my kids at an in-person private school. I've gained 30 pounds from the antidepressants I've needed because of all this and spent all my fun money on therapy. I am trying SO hard, but yes. I can't work in-person. I can't make new friends because everyone thinks I'm an anti-masker. I can't travel.

So I'm glad life is normal for you, but it's not normal for me. And I miss it.

Can you please just grow up? You sound so self-indulgent and pathetic, like an entitled child. You clearly needed the therapy for your deep-rooted issues well before the mask issue forced you to acknowledge some unpleasant truths.

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No data that says vaccine is superior to natural immunity. You have yet to cite one source.

I may allow my kids to get the Covid vaccine - they are always vaccinated against the flu. But not when it’s EUA. And will wait to see the risk/benefit.


There’s actually tons of data that vaccine-induced immunity is more robust and likely more long lasting than naturally acquired immunity. But I’m not your research assistant so I’m not going to dig up links.

Nice try. https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1346855/retrieve

“To conclude, available tests and current knowledge do not tell us about the duration of immunity and protection against reinfection,
but recent evidence suggests that natural infection may provide similar protection against symptomatic disease as vaccination, at
least for the available follow up period.33 The emergence of variants of concern poses challenges and their potential to evade


It’s anecdotal but know of man in 60s in Florida who refused to get shot due to having COVID before . He died in August after horrible weeks in ICU. Get the shot!


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
“ Vaccination was highly effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]). Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]). Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.”

After "horrible" weeks in the ICU. You fearmongers always have to appeal to emotion, don't you?

You think he was having fun in the ICU? Have you ever dealt with a loved one in there? It's not pretty.

Adjectives are what emotional people use. I have no use for emotional people who manipulate for political gain.

Um....

You really can't tell the difference? Keep on appealing to emotion. Get your vaxport. Jab your five-year-old. I will never forgive you for destroying my life.

NP, but…where do you live??? We are in NoVA. Oldest DD just started Kindergarten fully in person. Younger DD is in daycare, which reopened over a year ago. We aren’t flying anywhere, but we visit local family any time we want (indoors, unmasked), spent lots of time at the pool this summer, have gone to several amusement parks and the zoo, took a lovely beach vacation, and basically are living our lives normally. I don’t get why you think your life has been destroyed. Care to explain what you can no longer do?

I personally can't wear a mask for over 15-20 minutes without a panic attack. Used to travel to customers once a week, but I haven't been able to fly since last June. I tried. I couldn't board, because I was gasping for air and crying. My company has closed its main office and made all the consultant positions into remote. My mental health has taken a nosedive, because I need to be around people. My friends have 90% ditched me for being irresponsible enough to have my kids at an in-person private school. I've gained 30 pounds from the antidepressants I've needed because of all this and spent all my fun money on therapy. I am trying SO hard, but yes. I can't work in-person. I can't make new friends because everyone thinks I'm an anti-masker. I can't travel.

So I'm glad life is normal for you, but it's not normal for me. And I miss it.

Wait, are you the same PP complaining about emotional people? Cuz you sound like an emotional trainwreck. I don't know anyone who has panic attacks over masks or who flips out over adjectives.

I'm sorry you're struggling, but all your decisions are also based off of emotion, in this case your bizarre fear of masks.

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Anonymous wrote:It won’t ever go back? Are you this dramatic in real life? Life will eventually go back to normal. That’s how you explain it.

It won’t. The half-life of antibodies is 36 days. There will never be an effective vaccine.

Oh geez. You have no idea what you are talking about. The half life is a lot longer for some people. And the vaccine are creating T cell responses. And people have B cell. You are either a troll or really dumb. I vote troll.

Boom! I love when I am right.

Hilarious that these people though the vaccine would be the end of restrictions.

Which restrictions?

Erm...have you been on a plane lately?

This thread sure has come a long way from "life as we know it is over!!!" Now, it's "we have to wear a mask on a plane!"

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This thread aged poorly lol

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Did it though? I feel like life as we knew it is over. Back in May/June it seemed like masks were on the way out. Now, will we ever unmask? Will my baby need to mask up next summer when she turns 2? The constant quarantines and fake quarantines (MCPS). The never ending telework. The constant talk of covid. I’m ready to escape.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread aged poorly lol

Did it though? I feel like life as we knew it is over. Back in May/June it seemed like masks were on the way out. Now, will we ever unmask? Will my baby need to mask up next summer when she turns 2? The constant quarantines and fake quarantines (MCPS). The never ending telework. The constant talk of covid. I’m ready to escape.

Having to wear a thin piece of cloth over your face sometimes is not “the end of life as we know it”. Kids are in school, people are returning to the office, people are traveling and socializing. Things are pretty much back to normal.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread aged poorly lol

Did it though? I feel like life as we knew it is over. Back in May/June it seemed like masks were on the way out. Now, will we ever unmask? Will my baby need to mask up next summer when she turns 2? The constant quarantines and fake quarantines (MCPS). The never ending telework. The constant talk of covid. I’m ready to escape.

Having to wear a thin piece of cloth over your face sometimes is not “the end of life as we know it”. Kids are in school, people are returning to the office, people are traveling and socializing. Things are pretty much back to normal.

I mean it kind of is. Like never seeing some peoples’ faces that you only interact with inside (doctor, physical therapist, teacher etc) because you only see them inside. Hell at school pickup all the parents wear masks so I don’t even know what they look like. Hard to understand people through masks, make connections etc. it’s a big flipping deal. Don’t minimize it. It has a palpable impact on the ability to form connections and have empathy for others if you can’t see their faces. Removes humanity. It’s a big deal. The burka is also just a little bit of fabric. Stop gaslighting on masks. They may be necessary right now for public health but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a big deal. Also re socializing no indoor play dates orly stilted masked outdoor gatherings. Yuck

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Anonymous wrote:This thread aged poorly lol

Did it though? I feel like life as we knew it is over. Back in May/June it seemed like masks were on the way out. Now, will we ever unmask? Will my baby need to mask up next summer when she turns 2? The constant quarantines and fake quarantines (MCPS). The never ending telework. The constant talk of covid. I’m ready to escape.

Having to wear a thin piece of cloth over your face sometimes is not “the end of life as we know it”. Kids are in school, people are returning to the office, people are traveling and socializing. Things are pretty much back to normal.

I mean it kind of is. Like never seeing some peoples’ faces that you only interact with inside (doctor, physical therapist, teacher etc) because you only see them inside. Hell at school pickup all the parents wear masks so I don’t even know what they look like. Hard to understand people through masks, make connections etc. it’s a big flipping deal. Don’t minimize it. It has a palpable impact on the ability to form connections and have empathy for others if you can’t see their faces. Removes humanity. It’s a big deal. The burka is also just a little bit of fabric. Stop gaslighting on masks. They may be necessary right now for public health but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a big deal. Also re socializing no indoor play dates orly stilted masked outdoor gatherings. Yuck

Ah, ok…you’re one of those “masks are the same as burkas” nutjobs. By all means, carry on with your histrionics while the rest of us get back to our normal lives.

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Did it though? I feel like life as we knew it is over. Back in May/June it seemed like masks were on the way out. Now, will we ever unmask? Will my baby need to mask up next summer when she turns 2? The constant quarantines and fake quarantines (MCPS). The never ending telework. The constant talk of covid. I’m ready to escape.

Having to wear a thin piece of cloth over your face sometimes is not “the end of life as we know it”. Kids are in school, people are returning to the office, people are traveling and socializing. Things are pretty much back to normal.

I mean it kind of is. Like never seeing some peoples’ faces that you only interact with inside (doctor, physical therapist, teacher etc) because you only see them inside. Hell at school pickup all the parents wear masks so I don’t even know what they look like. Hard to understand people through masks, make connections etc. it’s a big flipping deal. Don’t minimize it. It has a palpable impact on the ability to form connections and have empathy for others if you can’t see their faces. Removes humanity. It’s a big deal. The burka is also just a little bit of fabric. Stop gaslighting on masks. They may be necessary right now for public health but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a big deal. Also re socializing no indoor play dates orly stilted masked outdoor gatherings. Yuck

Well, unlike women in Afghanistan now forced into wearing burkas, this situation is temporary. Do you seriously think you are never going to be able to go massless indoors ever again? Really???
And I don’t know anyone having masked OUTDOOR gatherings, particularly people who are fully vaccinated.
I have 2 very young children. Obviously they aren’t vaccinated, and I am continuing to wear a mask while indoors and in public to help protect them. I don’t expect to continue to do so once the youngest members of society have access to vaccination.
The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic took several years to end, as well.

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not to be disrespectful to those suffering, but I'm totally loving that thanks to the right wing talking heads, people are bringing back the word "monger." Fearmonger this, fearmonger that. I'm voting we try to bring back fishmonger next.