Subtle signs of class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Locally, though, I thought I read here on DCUM somewhere that the owner of the Redskins couldn't be admitted to one of the exclusive country clubs (maybe Congressional?)


Money does not always smooth one's way into these social clubs.

Obama was rejected from Woodmont.

This is why I'm not a huge fan of old money.

And he got to go jet-skiing with Richard Branson...and in a nutshell, that tells you everything you need to know about class in America and how it translates internationally.

[Anonymous]

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It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

Hi there is PLENTY of cocaine at horse shows.

Oh, I so hope this thread lives on...

[Anonymous]

WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Profile writer here. On tech tycoons, I don't see them as being unlike the new rich of any other era.

People love to hate on the new rich, but I prefer them to old money, so I am not making a judgment. It's just a fact that tech leaders are of MC and UMC upbringing and will demonstrate those class values rather than ones associated with older money. You can't change class, you can only change taste and buying power.

Thus the ostentatious displays exhibited by that horse jumping circuit.

It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

It’s not miserable at all, and you definitely can’t prove that statement. You sound bitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

Hi there is PLENTY of cocaine at horse shows.

Oh, I so hope this thread lives on...

I'm still waiting for the tea on the crazy McLean dwellers....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

I have only recently started following the BRF since we now have a black American princess. I have a lot of connection to Europe and some time immersed in British culture. So I can answer questions about British class, but place less confidence in these insights.

No one can change their class. But hot women, who are intelligent and highly socially aware, can fake it til they make it. In fact, being a hot woman with a messy upbringing is its own form of sexy to the very rich man, who feels slighted and misunderstood in spite of the world being at his feet. My prediction is that between KM and MM, MM will be more popular and have more gravitas bc she is more authentic, which the rich love. KM is a good con artist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the criteria listed by folks here seem so arbitrary.

It’s actually a whole code related to a mindset about preserving family inheritance and downplaying ostentation, so it’s a little more coherent than it looks on the surface.

There’s one poster who knows a fair amount but gets parts wrong (and won’t back down), and that adds a touch of arbitrariness. No, you don’t need to breed dogs and show them at Westminster, and in fact that’s actually a pretty middle class thing these days (watch Best in Show). Old money on the Upper East Side isn’t showing horses.

Daughters of billionaires seem to do this. I think there is a Gates daughter who does and a Dell daughter. Bloomberg's daughter as well.

As does/did Springsteen’s daughter.These are all new money, though, fwiw.

I know numerous UMC and even MC daughters in the DMV area who do this—DC’s classmates and friends’ kids.

The point is, show jumping/dressage is not a marker of old money, or “class” if you want, contrary to what’s been said here.

The

Anyone who can afford it would do show jumping because it is the most fun thing to do with oodles of money. Those particular girls are famous because their parents are famous - there are PLENTY of older money daughters doing it as well. Also remember there is "competing in show jumping" and then there is being a national competitor and then there is the Springsteen/Gates level shit. Those guys invented a whole circuit of completely ridiculous events with insane backdrops - under the Eiffel Tower, on the beach in Miami, by the water in Monaco - I think just because Frank McCourt's new wife is into horses. You gotta have stupid money to do that and no desire to hold onto it. There are also a lot of international kleptocrats who get into it especially in Florida. Anyway you need a LOT more money to do that then you do to just keep a few nice show hunters in Middleburg, which is also pretty f-ing classy imo. A good way to judge is if the person jumps over 1.20m or does actual fox hunting (because those people are mostly insane/delightful). Both are legit. "Cynthia takes weekly lessons and recently purchased a Children's Hunter we hope can also do the Big Eq" is EXTREMELY LOW CLASS it's like the horse equivalent of Instagramming your new Camry or something or living in Rockville but you call it Potomac. Or living in Potomac, for that matter.

Anyway, do you guys know why so many Small Pony Hunters are gray (white, to you non-equestrians)? It's because they systematically kill the other ones shortly after birth.

Also guys there is a genuinely weird lady in Middleburg who may or may not have paid for a series of bonkers, dubiously factual magazine features about herself with a field full of pony clones. Not kidding.

wow a beach that's fun I guess


That's a Bloomberg and some Rockefellers and the Eiffel Tower, which I guess they like rented?


tfw Charlotte Casiraghi is also on your showjumping "team"

Our family friends are horse trainers/handlers for some of these billionaire American families whose daughters are show jumpers. They don't even breed the horses; they just train, care for, and transport the horses to these events on behalf of the owners.

They own 5 homes due to the insane amounts of money they make in this line of business - Malibu, Palm Springs, a ranch in Colorado, a house in West Palm, etc. They follow their clientele around the world and make ungodly sums of money doing so. They don't appear to have any equity stakes in these horses, they just give these families their time, knowledge, and expertise. And get highly compensated for doing so.

There's so many other billionaire and 9-figure families in the US (and around the world) that we haven't even heard of. So many of their daughters are trying to become show jumpers and their boys are trying to play polo. It's ridiculous and they have the cash to burn.

What do you think someone like Eve Jobs spends on her show jumping career on a yearly basis? I follow her on Instagram and she seems to be constantly riding at events all over the world. She's also currently studying at Stanford, but she seems to barely spend any time at the school. There's a bunch of tech tycoon kids at Stanford right now doing the same - jetting off to St Barthes, Vail, or Europe every weekend.

The primary way money is made in horse showing is on sales commissions and "flipping" horses. Top people can make a ton of money that way and be completely above board because the horses cost millions of dollars. In many other cases, you would not believe the unethical shit that happens. I'm amazed over and over at how many otherwise smart and competent people never bother to sit down with the other party and sign a proper bill of sale, and don't realize how many pockets are being lined or who lied about price, and that's before you even get into horses getting younger, lying about soundness, etc. The horse you bought for $125k was probably $15k off the boat three weeks ago, which is fine, but people get terrible advice. The obvious solution would be to treat horses like the Jockey Club does or like Real Estate where every sale price is recorded, but I honestly think if they did that the whole horse show industry would collapse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Subtle is NEVER using the term "rich". It is so grating.

Or uttering the word, "class."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Subtle is NEVER using the term "rich". It is so grating.

Or uttering the word, "class."

Yes. You can always tell a UC college student by the fact that they talk about running off to "lecture"...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the criteria listed by folks here seem so arbitrary.

It’s actually a whole code related to a mindset about preserving family inheritance and downplaying ostentation, so it’s a little more coherent than it looks on the surface.

There’s one poster who knows a fair amount but gets parts wrong (and won’t back down), and that adds a touch of arbitrariness. No, you don’t need to breed dogs and show them at Westminster, and in fact that’s actually a pretty middle class thing these days (watch Best in Show). Old money on the Upper East Side isn’t showing horses.

Daughters of billionaires seem to do this. I think there is a Gates daughter who does and a Dell daughter. Bloomberg's daughter as well.

As does/did Springsteen’s daughter.These are all new money, though, fwiw.

I know numerous UMC and even MC daughters in the DMV area who do this—DC’s classmates and friends’ kids.

The point is, show jumping/dressage is not a marker of old money, or “class” if you want, contrary to what’s been said here.

The

Anyone who can afford it would do show jumping because it is the most fun thing to do with oodles of money. Those particular girls are famous because their parents are famous - there are PLENTY of older money daughters doing it as well. Also remember there is "competing in show jumping" and then there is being a national competitor and then there is the Springsteen/Gates level shit. Those guys invented a whole circuit of completely ridiculous events with insane backdrops - under the Eiffel Tower, on the beach in Miami, by the water in Monaco - I think just because Frank McCourt's new wife is into horses. You gotta have stupid money to do that and no desire to hold onto it. There are also a lot of international kleptocrats who get into it especially in Florida. Anyway you need a LOT more money to do that then you do to just keep a few nice show hunters in Middleburg, which is also pretty f-ing classy imo. A good way to judge is if the person jumps over 1.20m or does actual fox hunting (because those people are mostly insane/delightful). Both are legit. "Cynthia takes weekly lessons and recently purchased a Children's Hunter we hope can also do the Big Eq" is EXTREMELY LOW CLASS it's like the horse equivalent of Instagramming your new Camry or something or living in Rockville but you call it Potomac. Or living in Potomac, for that matter.

Anyway, do you guys know why so many Small Pony Hunters are gray (white, to you non-equestrians)? It's because they systematically kill the other ones shortly after birth.

Also guys there is a genuinely weird lady in Middleburg who may or may not have paid for a series of bonkers, dubiously factual magazine features about herself with a field full of pony clones. Not kidding.

wow a beach that's fun I guess


That's a Bloomberg and some Rockefellers and the Eiffel Tower, which I guess they like rented?


tfw Charlotte Casiraghi is also on your showjumping "team"

Our family friends are horse trainers/handlers for some of these billionaire American families whose daughters are show jumpers. They don't even breed the horses; they just train, care for, and transport the horses to these events on behalf of the owners.

They own 5 homes due to the insane amounts of money they make in this line of business - Malibu, Palm Springs, a ranch in Colorado, a house in West Palm, etc. They follow their clientele around the world and make ungodly sums of money doing so. They don't appear to have any equity stakes in these horses, they just give these families their time, knowledge, and expertise. And get highly compensated for doing so.

There's so many other billionaire and 9-figure families in the US (and around the world) that we haven't even heard of. So many of their daughters are trying to become show jumpers and their boys are trying to play polo. It's ridiculous and they have the cash to burn.

What do you think someone like Eve Jobs spends on her show jumping career on a yearly basis? I follow her on Instagram and she seems to be constantly riding at events all over the world. She's also currently studying at Stanford, but she seems to barely spend any time at the school. There's a bunch of tech tycoon kids at Stanford right now doing the same - jetting off to St Barthes, Vail, or Europe every weekend.

The primary way money is made in horse showing is on sales commissions and "flipping" horses. Top people can make a ton of money that way and be completely above board because the horses cost millions of dollars. In many other cases, you would not believe the unethical shit that happens. I'm amazed over and over at how many otherwise smart and competent people never bother to sit down with the other party and sign a proper bill of sale, and don't realize how many pockets are being lined or who lied about price, and that's before you even get into horses getting younger, lying about soundness, etc. The horse you bought for $125k was probably $15k off the boat three weeks ago, which is fine, but people get terrible advice. The obvious solution would be to treat horses like the Jockey Club does or like Real Estate where every sale price is recorded, but I honestly think if they did that the whole horse show industry would collapse.

You sound insufferable. Oh, Dear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WC Profile Writer -- thanks for your insights. Do you follow the British Royal Family? Could you please give me your take on Kate Middleton (raised UMC) and Meghan Markle (raised MC/WC). Even though they are royals now, you have implied in previous posts that a person never changes from the class in which they were raised.

I have only recently started following the BRF since we now have a black American princess. I have a lot of connection to Europe and some time immersed in British culture. So I can answer questions about British class, but place less confidence in these insights.

No one can change their class. But hot women, who are intelligent and highly socially aware, can fake it til they make it. In fact, being a hot woman with a messy upbringing is its own form of sexy to the very rich man, who feels slighted and misunderstood in spite of the world being at his feet. My prediction is that between KM and MM, MM will be more popular and have more gravitas bc she is more authentic, which the rich love. KM is a good con artist.

Oh and MM is not middle class. She is WC like me. WC people, esp those with dysfunction and trauma in their upbringing, can practically see through walls when it comes to receptiveness. So she will pick up on way more than UMC KM. And she will be much more adaptive in mimicking what she sees. Ask me how I know, haha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Profile writer here. On tech tycoons, I don't see them as being unlike the new rich of any other era.

People love to hate on the new rich, but I prefer them to old money, so I am not making a judgment. It's just a fact that tech leaders are of MC and UMC upbringing and will demonstrate those class values rather than ones associated with older money. You can't change class, you can only change taste and buying power.

Thus the ostentatious displays exhibited by that horse jumping circuit.

It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

It’s not miserable at all, and you definitely can’t prove that statement. You sound bitter.

I'm WC. It's called class rage. Ever heard of the French Revolution? I watch Les Miserables and nod in approval.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

Hi there is PLENTY of cocaine at horse shows.

Oh, I so hope this thread lives on...

I'm still waiting for the tea on the crazy McLean dwellers....

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's still better than miserable old money. Only cocaine can cure their ennui.

Hi there is PLENTY of cocaine at horse shows.

Oh, I so hope this thread lives on...

I'm still waiting for the tea on the crazy McLean dwellers....

+1

The tea is so boring. oh that guy was going to make partner but instead he left his wife and went in-house.

All the good tea is probably in Great Falls in those amazing "homes."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clean and clutter free.

And art on the walls rather than photographs of the couple everywhere (a definite sign of low class).

LOL