Gonzaga Kairos Vandalism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abandoned property? That excuse is beyond pathetic. Someone lives there. That meant there were pictures on the walls where they punched holes, plates in those cabinets they tore off walls and toothbrushes in that bathroom where they ripped out a toilet. Not only did they do this in one afternoon, the went back the next day. Who does that???

Where are you getting all of the furnishing and decor detail? How are you concluding from the reporting that someone was actually living in the structure? I expect the building was far closer to abandoned than wheat you describe, but we do not have enough information to determine that.

Fair poster, I would invite you to the read the article link from the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/acts-of-extreme-vandalism-by-students-stun-gonzaga-college-high-school/2019/02/15/ba02b7ee-306d-11e9-8ad3-9a5b113ecd3c_story.html?utm_term=.33f50929380f
The homeowner returned home after being away and came back to her home while students were still inside.

The article decidedly does not say the home owner lived in the building, just says the owner arrived while students were there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So...were any of these fools actually expelled after TWO days of rampant destruction of a home where someone actually lives?

How can you assume that someone actually lives in the structure? Nothing in the reporting conveys facts upon which to base such a conclusion.

Please stop. The Washington Post clearly states that there is a real homeowner who actually came home to find kids in her home...where she lives. Why are you insisting no one lives there?

Read it again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga Alumni here...

KAIROS generally consists of anywhere from 40-50 kids, so it's safe to say the Post wrote the article in such a way that lead readers to believe the entire group participated. From what I know, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 kids - give or take a few.

Exactly. Think maybe the writer could have avoided misleading in that manner? Pretty lazy, flawed, poorly sourced reporting all around.

From the article:

“Approximately a dozen or so students are reported to have been involved in the destruction of the cabin. A much larger group of 40 to 50 students were at the house when it was being vandalized, though it is unclear how many were actively taking part.”

Please revise to make it more accurate. It sounds fairly spot on to even what you describe. As a reminder they identified their sources as multiple Gonzaga employees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the poster who is strangely holding on to the notion that there is no evidence of anyone owning the destroyed property:

Copied from the WashPost:
“According to those who heard Every’s account, some of the students may have believed the properties were abandoned. Every told the staff that the owner of the house arrived Thursday afternoon, while the students were still there. The owner then went to the retreat center to report what had happened.”

Own and occupy are different. Commentators are painting a picture of a home, yet nothing in the article provides the details. People are assuming the cost of repairs to the home without any idea whatsoever of the before and after comparisons. Just shoddy reporting without details, and readers willing to draw conclusions without actual first-hand information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:By your logic, nothing we read or see in the news can ever be commented upon because it's not "first-hand knowledge."

This reporting is particularly removed from first-hand knowledge. Pretty poorly sourced story devoid of reliable facts.

Again, what is your point? If you’re trying to make the case that this didn’t happen or that there are misrepresentations, then I’m pretty confident that Gonzaga and its alumni would have no problem challenging the veracity of the Post reporting.

Nobody from Gonzaga has challenged the Post reporting. Two recent letters from Fr. Planning both did not dispute the contents of the article. Whoever is posting these defenses here, please stop. You are just making things worse.

Not a defense. More of an inquiry into the details, better reporting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga Alumni here...

KAIROS generally consists of anywhere from 40-50 kids, so it's safe to say the Post wrote the article in such a way that lead readers to believe the entire group participated. From what I know, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 kids - give or take a few.

Exactly. Think maybe the writer could have avoided misleading in that manner? Pretty lazy, flawed, poorly sourced reporting all around.

From the article:

“Approximately a dozen or so students are reported to have been involved in the destruction of the cabin. A much larger group of 40 to 50 students were at the house when it was being vandalized, though it is unclear how many were actively taking part.”

Please revise to make it more accurate. It sounds fairly spot on to even what you describe. As a reminder they identified their sources as multiple Gonzaga employees.

Wish I could. I was not been there. Nor was the reporter or his sources.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand how any Gonzaga booster, parent, alum could even remotely defend the actions of its students.

Whether the property was abandoned or not, whether it was 2 students or 20 students, its a black eye for Gonzaga, end of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any Gonzaga booster, parent, alum could even remotely defend the actions of its students.

Whether the property was abandoned or not, whether it was 2 students or 20 students, its a black eye for Gonzaga, end of story.

Of course it’s a black eye for GZ and there’s absolutely no excuse. But there’s a big difference between 20 and 2, or in terms of whether it’s a systematic problem regarding the entire school as some posters are claiming or limited to a handful of students who are not representative of the school as others are claiming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:limited to a handful of students who are not representative of the school as others are claiming.

Even if we were to assume that this was true, is the administration's handling of the incident not "representative of the school"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:limited to a handful of students who are not representative of the school as others are claiming.

Even if we were to assume that this was true, is the administration's handling of the incident not "representative of the school"?

Do you actually know how they handled it or are you getting your “facts” from DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga Alumni here...

KAIROS generally consists of anywhere from 40-50 kids, so it's safe to say the Post wrote the article in such a way that lead readers to believe the entire group participated. From what I know, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 kids - give or take a few.

Exactly. Think maybe the writer could have avoided misleading in that manner? Pretty lazy, flawed, poorly sourced reporting all around.

From the article:

“Approximately a dozen or so students are reported to have been involved in the destruction of the cabin. A much larger group of 40 to 50 students were at the house when it was being vandalized, though it is unclear how many were actively taking part.”

Please revise to make it more accurate. It sounds fairly spot on to even what you describe. As a reminder they identified their sources as multiple Gonzaga employees.

Wish I could. I was not been there. Nor was the reporter or his sources.

Correct, the sources were not at the retreat site. However, they weren’t reporting gossip or what they read on DCUM. Instead, they shared what was told to them during a staff meeting by school administrators who had been at the site and who showed photos and videos of the damage to a cabin and to a home.

Dozens of students from Washington’s prestigious Gonzaga College High School, on a spiritual retreat in southern Maryland, ransacked a cabin and an unoccupied home, shattering windows and cabinets, punching holes in walls, throwing a toilet into a yard and destroying property throughout both dwellings, according to several Gonzaga employees who were told of the incidents at a staff meeting at the school.

[Anonymous]

The Gonzaga booster on this thread is repulsive. Trying to defend the boys by attacking every post in an attempt to find wiggle room to justify this criminal behavior. Hey you: you make me sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga Alumni here...

KAIROS generally consists of anywhere from 40-50 kids, so it's safe to say the Post wrote the article in such a way that lead readers to believe the entire group participated. From what I know, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 kids - give or take a few.

Exactly. Think maybe the writer could have avoided misleading in that manner? Pretty lazy, flawed, poorly sourced reporting all around.

From the article:

“Approximately a dozen or so students are reported to have been involved in the destruction of the cabin. A much larger group of 40 to 50 students were at the house when it was being vandalized, though it is unclear how many were actively taking part.”

Please revise to make it more accurate. It sounds fairly spot on to even what you describe. As a reminder they identified their sources as multiple Gonzaga employees.

Wish I could. I was not been there. Nor was the reporter or his sources.

Then how do you know the article is misleading? Or have any basis for accusing the reporter of being lazy? Remember you agreed with someone saying the article was misleading because it led readers to believe that 40-50 boys took part in the vandalism. If you think that paragraph was misleading you should be able to fix it. More likely youbrealize it wasn’t and your original post was misleading because you are lazy and your post was flawed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga Alumni here...

KAIROS generally consists of anywhere from 40-50 kids, so it's safe to say the Post wrote the article in such a way that lead readers to believe the entire group participated. From what I know, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 kids - give or take a few.

Exactly. Think maybe the writer could have avoided misleading in that manner? Pretty lazy, flawed, poorly sourced reporting all around.

From the article:

“Approximately a dozen or so students are reported to have been involved in the destruction of the cabin. A much larger group of 40 to 50 students were at the house when it was being vandalized, though it is unclear how many were actively taking part.”

Please revise to make it more accurate. It sounds fairly spot on to even what you describe. As a reminder they identified their sources as multiple Gonzaga employees.

Wish I could. I was not been there. Nor was the reporter or his sources.

Then how do you know the article is misleading? Or have any basis for accusing the reporter of being lazy? Remember you agreed with someone saying the article was misleading because it led readers to believe that 40-50 boys took part in the vandalism. If you think that paragraph was misleading you should be able to fix it. More likely youbrealize it wasn’t and your original post was misleading because you are lazy and your post was flawed.

Probably the prosecutor in me recognizing that true facts and details are glaringly absent. I have no skin in the game at all. Just tired of a rash of misleading journalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Gonzaga booster on this thread is repulsive. Trying to defend the boys by attacking every post in an attempt to find wiggle room to justify this criminal behavior. Hey you: you make me sick.

Curious why you are 30 pages into this thread and so angry, when, by the way you write, it sounds like you aren’t a parent or alum of the school.