where would Williams and Amherst rank in the ivy league..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.

Of course size matters. A larger institution will have a larger pool of potential applicants to choose from.

It is a little bit like saying Moldova competes on an even footing with Brazil in soccer because each team can only have 11 players on the field.

the irony because LACs are Moldova and do not get the top stem students regardless compared to ivies

You would be correct if you said that they don't get the best Engineering and CS students. The top SLACs get great natural sciences and Math students and their Phd placements show it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.

Of course size matters. A larger institution will have a larger pool of potential applicants to choose from.

It is a little bit like saying Moldova competes on an even footing with Brazil in soccer because each team can only have 11 players on the field.

the irony because LACs are moldova and do not get the top stem students regardless compared to ivies

OK. Brazil and Luxembourg. Columbia had 23 Goldwater Scholars to 14 for Caltech. Columbia undergraduate enrollment is about 10X that of Caltech. Are you still contending that institutional size is not a factor at all and the only reasonable conclusion is Columbia is better than Caltech at STEM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.

Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

Cite some. You won't because you are full of shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

Cite some. You won't because you are full of shit.

"The Goldwater provides one- or two-year awards of $7,500 for undergraduate educational expenses. Sophomores and juniors majoring in mathematics, sciences, or engineering who are U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals, or permanent residents are eligible to apply. Traditionally, nominees have a minimum GPA of 3.7, and the average GPA of recipients is a 3.9+ at the national level. Applicants should be committed to pursuing a PhD in the research fields of mathematics, sciences, or engineering."

https://topscholars.illinois.edu/goldwater/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

Cite some. You won't because you are full of shit.

That is easy, last line on the eligibility page. You might want to do a better job at hiding your stupidity.

"In recent Goldwater competitions, GPAs have ranged from 3.15 to 4.95 on a 4.00 scale."

https://goldwaterscholarship.gov/eligibility/

Also, the award is great recognition for the winners but has zero reflection on the school itself. Whoever added "The Goldwater" to this thread obviously had no clue as to what they were actually talking about. They truly had their heads stuck up their ass because they were so desperate to "prove" that the Ivies are better than the top SLACs (NewsFlash, they aren't) by pulling out an award won by a kid at Pasadena City College, Louisiana Ag & Tech, CUNY Borough of Manhattan Community College, and Grand Valley State University as a point of Ivy superiority.

If I, someone from a non-selective public can whack you (and this subject) around so easily I shudder to think about what a kid from Williams would do to you. They would most definitely eat.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be harder to get a BAD education at Williams or Amherst than at some T20s. You have to show up etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

Cite some. You won't because you are full of shit.

That is easy, last line on the eligibility page. You might want to do a better job at hiding your stupidity.

"In recent Goldwater competitions, GPAs have ranged from 3.15 to 4.95 on a 4.00 scale."

https://goldwaterscholarship.gov/eligibility/

Also, the award is great recognition for the winners but has zero reflection on the school itself. Whoever added "The Goldwater" to this thread obviously had no clue as to what they were actually talking about. They truly had their heads stuck up their ass because they were so desperate to "prove" that the Ivies are better than the top SLACs (NewsFlash, they aren't) by pulling out an award won by a kid at Pasadena City College, Louisiana Ag & Tech, CUNY Borough of Manhattan Community College, and Grand Valley State University as a point of Ivy superiority.

If I, someone from a non-selective public can whack you (and this subject) around so easily I shudder to think about what a kid from Williams would do to you. They would most definitely eat.

Don't wrench your shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back. The text you referred citing a minimum of 3.0 GPA was in the eligibility section as in the minimum to be eligible for a Goldwater nomination. It did not say anything about winners. Winners typically have much higher GPAs between 3.7 and 4.0.

[Anonymous]

At the top 10-15 SLACs (remove military academies), the kids are Ivy-smart but more interesting, more academic, and less performative than the Ivy kids. Together, that puts all these colleges above the Ivies for an undergraduate experience.

Ivies excel at graduate and professional school. Did you know that most of Harvard’s endowment contributions come from HBS and HLS, not the plain undergraduates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the top 10-15 SLACs (remove military academies), the kids are Ivy-smart but more interesting, more academic, and less performative than the Ivy kids. Together, that puts all these colleges above the Ivies for an undergraduate experience.

Ivies excel at graduate and professional school. Did you know that most of Harvard’s endowment contributions come from HBS and HLS, not the plain undergraduates?

I’m sorry, but you personally know the student body of 10-15 SLACS across time to then compare to 8 Ivies students bodies? How ever did you do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the top 10-15 SLACs (remove military academies), the kids are Ivy-smart but more interesting, more academic, and less performative than the Ivy kids. Together, that puts all these colleges above the Ivies for an undergraduate experience.

Ivies excel at graduate and professional school. Did you know that most of Harvard’s endowment contributions come from HBS and HLS, not the plain undergraduates?

I’m sorry, but you personally know the student body of 10-15 SLACS across time to then compare to 8 Ivies students bodies? How ever did you do it?

Hey, sh*thead! What’s wrong with your attitude? You’re obviously the prolific poster on these threads with your terse putdowns of everyone. Who died and made you king jerk!

You want to know the difference between a SLAC and an Ivy kid? Go look in the mirror. You are the latter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the top 10-15 SLACs (remove military academies), the kids are Ivy-smart but more interesting, more academic, and less performative than the Ivy kids. Together, that puts all these colleges above the Ivies for an undergraduate experience.

Ivies excel at graduate and professional school. Did you know that most of Harvard’s endowment contributions come from HBS and HLS, not the plain undergraduates?

I’m sorry, but you personally know the student body of 10-15 SLACS across time to then compare to 8 Ivies students bodies? How ever did you do it?

Hey, sh*thead! What’s wrong with your attitude? You’re obviously the prolific poster on these threads with your terse putdowns of everyone. Who died and made you king jerk!

You want to know the difference between a SLAC and an Ivy kid? Go look in the mirror. You are the latter.

Why names? Truly confused. I don’t like when people make generalizations and know there is no shortage of excellent institutions and students? It’s truly possible to like something without putting down something else, I’m a fan of both.