where would Williams and Amherst rank in the ivy league..

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

The other problem with Amherst — albeit a great school — is it takes a a back seat to Williams generally, and takes a back seat to Swat for the intellectual types. At this point, it is really between Williams and Pomona (kind of like Harvard and Stanford) and Amherst is, well, Yale. (OP is dated on this.)

Knock it off with the Pomona boosting. Pomona isn't better than Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury, Wellesley, Swat, or even it's next door neighbor CMC. The only thing that Pomona has going for it is location. If it wasn't for their location they would be another Grinnell (also a great school).

Why can no one here just talk in moderate opinions? You really think Pomona has absolutely nothing going for it other than being in SoCal? Seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

The other problem with Amherst — albeit a great school — is it takes a a back seat to Williams generally, and takes a back seat to Swat for the intellectual types. At this point, it is really between Williams and Pomona (kind of like Harvard and Stanford) and Amherst is, well, Yale. (OP is dated on this.)

Knock it off with the Pomona boosting. Pomona isn't better than Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury, Wellesley, Swat, or even its next door neighbor CMC. The only thing that Pomona has going for it is location. If it wasn't for their location they would be another Grinnell (also a great school).

Yeah, Pomona does not care what you think — any more than Stanford would. Just pointing out the reality of SLAC admissions these days. Have fun applying ED to Midd!

Sorry, turned Pomona down.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

I’m trying to follow where anyone said this. It sounds like you just wanted to post this random accomplishment to boost.

"LAC grads go to worse grad schools" upthread.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

My kid is a student there and, yes, the demographics are a little skewed. But 45% are NARPs and she is perfectly happy. Her roommate is Questbridge and they are good friends. Not sure why that would be an issue. She entered with perfect stats and is hard core STEM, has little overlap with the athletes in coursework. But socially she feels it's a nice, chill vibe and kids seem to get along fine. It was her favorite visit by a mile, with Pomona and Carleton a close second. She didn't didn't like the vibe at Williams or Swarthmore, so didn't apply.

I assume she did not get in to Pomona?

What part of Amherst was her first choice did you not grasp? She applied ED.

Wise choice! Amherst is a much easier admit than Pomona in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

I’m trying to follow where anyone said this. It sounds like you just wanted to post this random accomplishment to boost.

"LAC grads go to worse grad schools" upthread.

Amherst booster, plain as day. Can’t handle the sad ass campus, so has to make up stuff to feel better about themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

My kid is a student there and, yes, the demographics are a little skewed. But 45% are NARPs and she is perfectly happy. Her roommate is Questbridge and they are good friends. Not sure why that would be an issue. She entered with perfect stats and is hard core STEM, has little overlap with the athletes in coursework. But socially she feels it's a nice, chill vibe and kids seem to get along fine. It was her favorite visit by a mile, with Pomona and Carleton a close second. She didn't didn't like the vibe at Williams or Swarthmore, so didn't apply.

I assume she did not get in to Pomona?

What part of Amherst was her first choice did you not grasp? She applied ED.

Wise choice! Amherst is a much easier admit than Pomona in the DMV.

Depends on the school! Ours has had much better success at the latter.

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You sound desperate OP. Williams + Amherst are good...but not good enough for an Ivy comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

Those academic resources are not available to undergrads. TAs and untenured lecturers do most of the UG teaching at larger research institutions.

Of the four mentioned above, only Princeton requires all tenured professors to teach at the undergraduate level. Most large institutions have big name profs who only do research and teach/advise graduate students.

For teaching critical thinking and genuine investment in u derhraduate education, few Ivies can beat SLACs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

Those academic resources are not available to undergrads. TAs and untenured lecturers do most of the UG teaching at larger research institutions.

Of the four mentioned above, only Princeton requires all tenured professors to teach at the undergraduate level. Most large institutions have big name profs who only do research and teach/advise graduate students.

For teaching critical thinking and genuine investment in u derhraduate education, few Ivies can beat SLACs.

This is straight up false information. There’s various opportunities for Yale college students to take coursework, take up summer research, or even get hired within the graduate programs at Yale University. Same is true of DD’s peers at Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford. LACs are good for the education, but you get a lot more than just an exemplary education at a top research university if you’re an even semi capable student.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

Those academic resources are not available to undergrads. TAs and untenured lecturers do most of the UG teaching at larger research institutions.

Of the four mentioned above, only Princeton requires all tenured professors to teach at the undergraduate level. Most large institutions have big name profs who only do research and teach/advise graduate students.

For teaching critical thinking and genuine investment in u derhraduate education, few Ivies can beat SLACs.

This is straight up false information. There’s various opportunities for Yale college students to take coursework, take up summer research, or even get hired within the graduate programs at Yale University. Same is true of DD’s peers at Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford. LACs are good for the education, but you get a lot more than just an exemplary education at a top research university if you’re an even semi capable student.

The copium is strong in this one.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound desperate OP. Williams + Amherst are good...but not good enough for an Ivy comparison.

You sound clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

The other problem with Amherst — albeit a great school — is it takes a a back seat to Williams generally, and takes a back seat to Swat for the intellectual types. At this point, it is really between Williams and Pomona (kind of like Harvard and Stanford) and Amherst is, well, Yale. (OP is dated on this.)

Knock it off with the Pomona boosting. Pomona isn't better than Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury, Wellesley, Swat, or even it's next door neighbor CMC. The only thing that Pomona has going for it is location. If it wasn't for their location they would be another Grinnell (also a great school).
Why can no one here just talk in moderate opinions? You really think Pomona has absolutely nothing going for it other than being in SoCal? Seriously?

Pomona is a great school, one of the best. Pomona also does have an advantage in being the only elite SLAC on the West Coast which does limit their competition.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 on Amherst being out of favor with kids now. My kids, who toured Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Midd, Williams - and Pomona actually -- didn't even tour Amherst. I know some kids who matched via Questbridge from their HS, but otherwise not popular

Yeah, 7% acceptance rate (lower than Williams) definitely suggests a school that is out of favor. Oh, and for sure the students can't get into strong doctoral programs.

"Recently, two Amherst astronomers, a professor and recent graduate, helped to unveil a cold, chaotic exoplanet using NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Webb Telescope.

Daniella C Bardalez Gagliuffi, PhD, assistant professor of astronomy, and William Balmer ’21, a graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University, joined an international team that captured an image of 14 Herculis c, a massive, cold exoplanet with a unique orbit and unexpected atmospheric behavior. https://bit.ly/3LczTXp"

The problem w Amherst imo is it's got more athletes (40%) and more Questbridge (at just over 10% now) than any other in this group. Plus 2.5% are posse, plus international, plus vets. They've done this to themselves. Very barbell. Not rich and poor but jock and poor.

My kid is a student there and, yes, the demographics are a little skewed. But 45% are NARPs and she is perfectly happy. Her roommate is Questbridge and they are good friends. Not sure why that would be an issue. She entered with perfect stats and is hard core STEM, has little overlap with the athletes in coursework. But socially she feels it's a nice, chill vibe and kids seem to get along fine. It was her favorite visit by a mile, with Pomona and Carleton a close second. She didn't didn't like the vibe at Williams or Swarthmore, so didn't apply.

I assume she did not get in to Pomona?

What part of Amherst was her first choice did you not grasp? She applied ED.

Wise choice! Amherst is a much easier admit than Pomona in the DMV.

This is why no one likes Californians

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Anonymous wrote:Goldwater Scholars count over last 5 years:

Amherst 11
Williams 5
Harvard 21
Hopkins 20
MIT 19
Columbia 23

A school can only nominate 4 applicants per year so again size does not matter.


Past 5 Years:

William and Mary 10
UVA 9
VT 9
Berkeley 8

The only logical conclusion is Berkeley sucks at STEM. . .

Been watching this for days......

NewsFlash!

Nobody gives a rats ass about Goldwater scholars. They have nothing to do with school quality or any of this ranking nonsense.

And, nobody cares about USMAO either

It also tells us nothing about the quality of the school but says much about yourself, but not anything good.

Same goes for Apkers They're cool but say nothing about a school. A kid from Houghton won a few years ago in 2021 it was Kutztown and UMass-Boston. None of those awards resulted in a new deluge of applications to the new 'it' school for Physics.

So Please, just calm down and go back to arguing about whether or not top SLACs are the equals of the Ivies.

I imagine the students who went through the Goldwater process probably thought it was worthwhile. Money + a leg up on graduate school admissions.

I imagine that they do, it is a great prize. But to somehow equate any of these individual awards to school rankings and equality is beyond stupid. There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

There have been Goldwater winners with B average GPAs.

Cite some. You won't because you are full of shit.

That is easy, last line on the eligibility page. You might want to do a better job at hiding your stupidity.

"In recent Goldwater competitions, GPAs have ranged from 3.15 to 4.95 on a 4.00 scale."

https://goldwaterscholarship.gov/eligibility/

Also, the award is great recognition for the winners but has zero reflection on the school itself. Whoever added "The Goldwater" to this thread obviously had no clue as to what they were actually talking about. They truly had their heads stuck up their ass because they were so desperate to "prove" that the Ivies are better than the top SLACs (NewsFlash, they aren't) by pulling out an award won by a kid at Pasadena City College, Louisiana Ag & Tech, CUNY Borough of Manhattan Community College, and Grand Valley State University as a point of Ivy superiority.

If I, someone from a non-selective public can whack you (and this subject) around so easily I shudder to think about what a kid from Williams would do to you. They would most definitely eat.

Don't wrench your shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back. The text you referred citing a minimum of 3.0 GPA was in the eligibility section as in the minimum to be eligible for a Goldwater nomination. It did not say anything about winners. Winners typically have much higher GPAs between 3.7 and 4.0.

The quote I provided is the meaningful part, but you skipped that because it doesn't fit your narrative. The bottom line of the page is the quote which is actual information. You realize the problem with your use of "typical" or do you need some help? And you ignored the schools cited as examples because they do not fit your narrative. You've got yourself in a tough spot right now. I would suggest that you just bow out.

It isn't the meaningful part. It is the minimum GPA to be able to apply. Successful applicants have much higher GPA. For instance successful Yale applicants have a 3.9+ GPA and successful Cornell applicants have had a 3.8+ GPA.

https://experience.cornell.edu/opportunities/goldwater-scholarship/requirements

https://yale.communityforce.com/Funds/FundDetails.aspx?766C425A624C4C6E304249493146796170505248392B6A6E464B4B2B49595272335A36706342376C324F7538356B786B3742456D3950714C4941642F70544235#:~:text=Special%20Eligibility%20Requirements:,Yale%20Goldwater%20Scholars%20is%203.9+.&text=In%20selecting%20the%20award%20recipients,not%20a%20criterion%20for%20selection.

dont bother with the idiot state school grad

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.

Those academic resources are not available to undergrads. TAs and untenured lecturers do most of the UG teaching at larger research institutions.

Of the four mentioned above, only Princeton requires all tenured professors to teach at the undergraduate level. Most large institutions have big name profs who only do research and teach/advise graduate students.

For teaching critical thinking and genuine investment in u derhraduate education, few Ivies can beat SLACs.

lol these coping LACers. Nobel prize winners routinely teach at Harvard and ivies along with other faculty.

32 pages has cemented to me why LACs like amherst and williams are 50% test optional with shit 40% yield. No one with actually good choices wants to go. Only the dumb ivy rejects go.