APS Holiday 6/6

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should keep religious holidays. APS screwed up here by 1) allowing schools to plan end of year activities around a holiday that can move, and 2) NOT clearly commutation to parents that there could be a calendar change. The note from Duran on Wednesday didn’t even explain why the change was being proposed so late in the year.

Poor planning. Poor communicating.

I agree with your numbered points 1 and 2 completely. But I also think religious holidays (except the federal holiday of Christmas Day) need to go. The only way to respect everyone's religious traditions is to offer a certain number of excused absences. If they hold school on Christmas Eve (assuming that is even operationally possible), so be it, we can use an excused absence.

I think they should try this and see how many Muslims come to defend the rights of Christians to have their holiday off.

Why should they have to? When we have religious holidays for SOME people, yeah, of course others want to be included. I get that. But since we can't accomodate everyone and since some holidays can't be planned in advance, the religious holidays just need to go. Excused absences should be the accommodation for all.

I strongly disagree with the bolded. I think this is the kind of sentiment has been disproven again and again each time a hegemonic group learns they are better and stronger when they are inclusive. We just need to figure out how to make space for everyone. I'm not saying it will be easy every time, but I do think it is possible, and I think history supports this conclusion.

It IS inclusive to give excused absences. Why is a day off the only accommodation?

I was responding only to PP's assertion that "we can't accommodate everyone." I said nothing about days off.

The last sentence of the post you responded to said "Excused absences should be the accommodation for all."

The first sentence of my response was "I strongly disagree with the bolded." The text I had bolded was "we can't accomodate everyone."

Yes, reading in context, we can't accommodate everyone with a religious holiday. Taking things out of context to sow division doesn't help anyone.

[Anonymous]

“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Good point. People should forget about it until next year and then have the same fight all over again!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should keep religious holidays. APS screwed up here by 1) allowing schools to plan end of year activities around a holiday that can move, and 2) NOT clearly commutation to parents that there could be a calendar change. The note from Duran on Wednesday didn’t even explain why the change was being proposed so late in the year.

Poor planning. Poor communicating.

I agree with your numbered points 1 and 2 completely. But I also think religious holidays (except the federal holiday of Christmas Day) need to go. The only way to respect everyone's religious traditions is to offer a certain number of excused absences. If they hold school on Christmas Eve (assuming that is even operationally possible), so be it, we can use an excused absence.

I think they should try this and see how many Muslims come to defend the rights of Christians to have their holiday off.

Why should they have to? When we have religious holidays for SOME people, yeah, of course others want to be included. I get that. But since we can't accomodate everyone and since some holidays can't be planned in advance, the religious holidays just need to go. Excused absences should be the accommodation for all.

I strongly disagree with the bolded. I think this is the kind of sentiment has been disproven again and again each time a hegemonic group learns they are better and stronger when they are inclusive. We just need to figure out how to make space for everyone. I'm not saying it will be easy every time, but I do think it is possible, and I think history supports this conclusion.

It IS inclusive to give excused absences. Why is a day off the only accommodation?

I was responding only to PP's assertion that "we can't accommodate everyone." I said nothing about days off.

The last sentence of the post you responded to said "Excused absences should be the accommodation for all."

The first sentence of my response was "I strongly disagree with the bolded." The text I had bolded was "we can't accomodate everyone."

Yes, reading in context, we can't accommodate everyone with a religious holiday. Taking things out of context to sow division doesn't help anyone.

I'm not sure but I think we're agreeing? Approaching this from a position of "how do we work this out for everyone" is much more helpful and focused on finding solutions. That is all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS uncoupled spring break from Easter couple years ago and was disaster. So many teachers with kids in other school districts so where childcare issues and teachers taking vacation to be with their kids who were off on break and not enough subs for the week FCPS had school where other districts didn’t…. Only way works is if all districts did together- state or at least NOVA wide.

The majority of the country and private schools in the area do not couple spring break and Easter. Guess what Easter is determined by a full moon did you know that?

And Christmas used to change too before date fixed- so what. That’s not even the point, which is other district in area tried to uncouple but only works if get surrounding areas to do same. Doesn’t matter what other states do- need all districts in this area to align to make it happen. So many wish they would uncouple- including me, but FCPS proved can’t do of APS, Loudon and rest don’t align.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should keep religious holidays. APS screwed up here by 1) allowing schools to plan end of year activities around a holiday that can move, and 2) NOT clearly commutation to parents that there could be a calendar change. The note from Duran on Wednesday didn’t even explain why the change was being proposed so late in the year.

Poor planning. Poor communicating.

I agree with your numbered points 1 and 2 completely. But I also think religious holidays (except the federal holiday of Christmas Day) need to go. The only way to respect everyone's religious traditions is to offer a certain number of excused absences. If they hold school on Christmas Eve (assuming that is even operationally possible), so be it, we can use an excused absence.

Isn't this how FCC does it? Let's do it.

I'm also totally in favor of a fixed spring break that falls between quarters and doesn't move every year. Pick a week and keep it there.

The problem with that is being out is synch with other districts in the area, where APS teachers live. Then the teachers have childcare issues.

falls church manages. I'm sure most of their teachers do not live in falls church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Just wait until APS starts blocking off three consecutive days for each Eid as “possible” days off. Nothing will be allowed to be planned for those days and no one will know until a few weeks in advance which day will be off. Next year it’s the week after Memorial Day and if Eid moves it will be a one day week. People are gonna get sick of this pretty quick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we should keep religious holidays. APS screwed up here by 1) allowing schools to plan end of year activities around a holiday that can move, and 2) NOT clearly commutation to parents that there could be a calendar change. The note from Duran on Wednesday didn’t even explain why the change was being proposed so late in the year.

Poor planning. Poor communicating.

I agree with your numbered points 1 and 2 completely. But I also think religious holidays (except the federal holiday of Christmas Day) need to go. The only way to respect everyone's religious traditions is to offer a certain number of excused absences. If they hold school on Christmas Eve (assuming that is even operationally possible), so be it, we can use an excused absence.

I think they should try this and see how many Muslims come to defend the rights of Christians to have their holiday off.

Why should they have to? When we have religious holidays for SOME people, yeah, of course others want to be included. I get that. But since we can't accomodate everyone and since some holidays can't be planned in advance, the religious holidays just need to go. Excused absences should be the accommodation for all.

I strongly disagree with the bolded. I think this is the kind of sentiment has been disproven again and again each time a hegemonic group learns they are better and stronger when they are inclusive. We just need to figure out how to make space for everyone. I'm not saying it will be easy every time, but I do think it is possible, and I think history supports this conclusion.

What about Orthodox holidays? Lunar new year? Mongolian New Year? There are 17 additional "cultural observance days" on top of current days.

The truth is APS is picking and choosing which religious holidays are more important. They should be sued for religious discrimination.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/files/CVWMW75B4763/$file/I-4.30%20PIP-1%20School%20Year%20Calendar.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Just wait until APS starts blocking off three consecutive days for each Eid as “possible” days off. Nothing will be allowed to be planned for those days and no one will know until a few weeks in advance which day will be off. Next year it’s the week after Memorial Day and if Eid moves it will be a one day week. People are gonna get sick of this pretty quick.

That’s precisely what was suggested at the meeting last night. Making sure that principals and PTAs knew they would not be able to schedule anything on the days before and after holidays that were dictated by the lunar calendar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Complaining on anon boards has been the first sign of things in APS before. Remember the swap? I saw that idea on here well before it became a real proposal. I find it interesting that the AEC Facebook group remains conspicuously silent on this incident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Complaining on anon boards has been the first sign of things in APS before. Remember the swap? I saw that idea on here well before it became a real proposal. I find it interesting that the AEC Facebook group remains conspicuously silent on this incident.

People know it's crazy but don't want to be called racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Complaining on anon boards has been the first sign of things in APS before. Remember the swap? I saw that idea on here well before it became a real proposal. I find it interesting that the AEC Facebook group remains conspicuously silent on this incident.

+1 I’m the OP of this thread. I emailed Duran and the board before I posted. I will be emailing again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Let’s get rid of all of the new religious holidays.”

Same Breath: “That Busdriver should get his day off too.”

Unserious people sowing discord. You got what you wanted. But let’s argue about a done deal for weeks anyway because none of us have a life.

Sounds like you don’t want any momentum to build around changing the policy to floating holidays.

I support the current religious holidays as days off for APS. And lol there's no momentum aside from your complaining on anon boards. Even Miranda said yesterday publicly that this vote wasn't a moratorium on changing the religious holiday policy.

Complaining on anon boards has been the first sign of things in APS before. Remember the swap? I saw that idea on here well before it became a real proposal. I find it interesting that the AEC Facebook group remains conspicuously silent on this incident.

People know it's crazy but don't want to be called racist.

This plus it’s not a very active page.