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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

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Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

Nope. We lived in Rosslyn and we didn’t want the warehouse middle school. It wasn’t about walkable, it was about functional site for a middle school.

Now that it’s about avoiding excessively long bus rides — these will be the longest bus rides in Arlington except for option rides.

I guess we should just go to virtual school after all. That way, nobody has to bus anywhere and they don't have to walk in the rain, either. We'll just bring school to you, literally, right in your home. We'll call it public homeschooling.

If you don't like that, then perhaps you can figure out a way for APS to provide a school on every block so everyone can walk - not just some; so everybody can have a non-warehouse (whatever that is) school they don't have to take an excessively long (however long that is) bus ride to - not just some.

So you keep pulling out these ridiculous strawman arguments rather than addressing topics at hand. School on every block, you just can't actually provide a concrete argument or actual fact so pantomime other people's arguments in parody.

As for warehouse middle schools, its placing 1100 students on a 2 acre site while 700 students are granted a 9 acre site.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

No because the whatever answer applies first to option programs, so just move Immersion to WMS.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

DP. HB didn't want the fancy building. Haters pushed them out.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

DP. HB didn't want the fancy building. Haters pushed them out.

Yes we know, they preferred to hoard one of the largest land parcels. But a marque building is a decent consolation prize.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

DP. HB didn't want the fancy building. Haters pushed them out.

Yes we know, they preferred to hoard one of the largest land parcels. But a marque building is a decent consolation prize.

HB didn't want to move, but adjusted. What's wrong is the people who pushed them out who now are unhappy after all and want to push HB out again. Just no.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

DP. HB didn't want the fancy building. Haters pushed them out.

Yes we know, they preferred to hoard one of the largest land parcels. But a marque building is a decent consolation prize.

Speaking of bitter.

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Any updates from the meeting at Kenmore this afternoon? Were there any chance to have questions from the audience?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. We should have done a Rosslyn MS after all.

+1

Why do people keep talking about a Rosslyn middle school? How would have helped this situation? Truly don’t understand the point.

Not sure because the kids who live near Hamm would have been bused there, so I am not sure how that would have been better for them than busing to WMS. Some ppl just like to complain. And also they don't get it.

The PP who say we should have built at Rosslyn are NOT current Hamm/Taylor parents, that was clear from other parts of the post.

I just don’t see why anyone is lamenting that option, unless they mean abolish HBW so that middle schools would have more capacity (1100 sear Hamm, 1100 seat Heights), but no Taylor/Hamm parent would consider that? So really confused who is advocating for Rosslyn?

One take away I have from the Rosslyn point is that APS staff planners are really terrible. How could they locate a “neighborhood” MS so far away from the needed seats? That is, they justified spending millions on building DHMS as a neighborhood school and just in a heartbeat APS is now saying, woops, we don’t need those seats there.

Same argument re: Cardinal/closing Nottingham.

Bottom line for me is they are wholly incompetent and so parents should fight for what they want. This is not a do what’s best for the system when it’s comes to your own children/family. And that’s Ok.

NOPE! It was the local community that wanted its "walkable" middle school and insisted on the Stratford site becoming the neighborhood middle school. Per usual, APS gave in.

Community didn’t care if it was walkable; they just didn’t want the ridiculous dreg of land that is the heights site for 1100 students. I know people who could walk to the Heights who wanted the Hamm site because the whole “warehouse” model was obscene.

That's fine, in fact I get it. Just don't complain now about what you got.

They aren’t complaining! Quite the opposite - current Hamm families love the school and want to stay. That is what they are advocating for.

They are complaining about the very foreseeable results of putting two middle schools too close to each other. Which is exactly what they wanted.

What misinformed and accusatory comment.

If they had situated Hamm at the Heights sight, it would have the same boundaries — and we would have the same imbalance. It’s a result of fewer families going to public school in the wealthy 22207 zip code (see Nottingham).

And Hamm and WMS are no closer than WMS and Swanson — they in fact make a very good fixed radius circle with WMS as the focal point.

If anything Kenmore and Swanson are Very close, and Kenmore and Jefferson are certainly close than WMS and Hamm.

You just want to claim the move is for some made of reason (schools are too close), and then somehow blame the Hamm parents? What an agenda!

Maybe if Hamm had been placed at the heights, they would all be delighted to be zoned to WMS, because it would be such an awful site for a large neighborhood school and require extensive busing anyways since the population of middle school students is much smalller in Rosslyn and many in Lyon Village leave for private by grade 6.

But as far as decision that were best for Hamm students, the Stratford site for Hamm was a winner hands down. It’s the best middle school on the county, and now the staff want to tear apart it’s community?

1. People in LV wanted the Rosslyn school.

2. Hamm is great because of the principal, not because of entitled parents.

1. Probably because they had friends at HB, at least half of LV goes private for middle school.

2. Agree that she is great. But disrupting a student body every 4 years isn't healthy.

1. False

3. Middle school is relatively short. DHMS will be fine.

Thanks for your well documented response. We lived in Lyon Village and during that time -- most of our neighbors went private (or to HB, but that's another kettle of fish). They really didn't care where the middle school went, it wasn't for their kids.

I have lived in LV for many years. Most families *do not* send their kids to private schools for middle school. Not then, not now.

And many families are very engaged in APS. Most wanted the Rosslyn school.

It was the neighborhood surrounding the Stratford site that wanted it for Hamm. They wanted their "walkable" middle school. That's what dictated what happened. Period.

I want my street turned into a pedestrian walkway and a kids playground on the lot at the corner and a fire station around the corner. So because I want it, it will it happen? Period.

if it were up to APS, probably!
What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to refute that it was the surrounding neighborhood crying out for a walkable neighborhood middle school that resulted in HB moving? 'cause APS wasn't proposing a new HB building. They proposed a new middle school and the neighborhood wanted theirs in their neighborhood.

My point is that just because you want something, you don't get it. My kids couldn't walk to any of the schools they attended but we weren't out there trying to take over another established school. I sat through many of those horrible Taylor PTA/HBW meetings.

Whatever. If HBW had allowed their program to grow in size they could have alleviated crowding at both middle and high school level. 9 acres is a huge lot. But they refused stating a small school is crucial to their program. So they got a small school.

If whatever is the theme, just send the necessary number of kids from Hamm over to Williamsburg. Whatever. Period.

You seem very angry. Are you some HB parent who is still bitter about your move to a $100M architectural gem?

DP. HB didn't want the fancy building. Haters pushed them out.

Yes we know, they preferred to hoard one of the largest land parcels. But a marque building is a decent consolation prize.

HB didn't want to move, but adjusted. What's wrong is the people who pushed them out who now are unhappy after all and want to push HB out again. Just no.

What are you talking about? No one has suggested pushing out HB. Some loon keeps claiming that the families who’s pushed for Hamm deserve to lose their school now because they pushed out HV one in fact, it was simply the logistics of site sizes

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Any updates from the meeting at Kenmore this afternoon? Were there any chance to have questions from the audience?

Bump?

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Any updates from the meeting at Kenmore this afternoon? Were there any chance to have questions from the audience?

Bump?

I was there with the Ashlawn cohort. I think there were maybe 4 Taylor parents? Staff did answer questions but wouldn’t commit to anything. It does appear that Kenmore is a done deal, whether anyone thinks that’s a good plan or not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Any updates from the meeting at Kenmore this afternoon? Were there any chance to have questions from the audience?

Bump?

I was there with the Ashlawn cohort. I think there were maybe 4 Taylor parents? Staff did answer questions but wouldn’t commit to anything. It does appear that Kenmore is a done deal, whether anyone thinks that’s a good plan or not.

Did they say why?