Its not FREE. I was still expected to do my work i.e. meet my deliverables. No one was COVERING for me when I pumped and I mostly pumped while working. There are no luxury rooms unless the company provides it. The only requirement is that it isnt a bathroom and has an outlet with an accessible sink - accessible can be a joint kitchen btw. Employers dont have to provide more than reasonable accommodations which means that your (2) 15 min breaks and 30 minute lunch in an 8 hour day are reasonable and that is what most pumping mothers end up doing. They pump on the way to work 730 pump 8am arrival 11pump 1pump 3 pump. pump on the way home. Many skip the 11 and 3 and just try to pump at lunch. And what exactly is society responsible for? I always love these type of posts because you dont list what you think society is responsible for if not the raising of future generations. |
You should probably stop talking. Maternity / Paternity leave is not a "free ride." What kind of a--hole even says that? People (and children with issues that require it) are healing, many dealing with mental health issues (PPD), stress, etc. Having to balance those things with work after a few weeks is extremely stressful and difficult (and my birth experience was easy and I still struggled). It is beneficial to families and societies -to have healthy well adjusted kids, parents, and workers- not to mention the morally indicate position to allow to a) allow it to happen, and b) recognize it's importance. Your post is a callous, selfish, ignorant one. And one mostly relegated to a different era, though not yet fully, as posts like yours demonstrate. The sort of society you describe, that runs families into the ground, is not one that holds any virtue and is one that most other developed countries like ours shun. They mock us and they should. It's embarrassing. People like you are embarassing. |
Put it to a vote nationwide and you will find out how wrong you are. |
Actually, I think you'd find out how completely wrong and out of touch you are" "About eight-in-ten Americans (82%) say mothers should have paid maternity leave, while fewer (69%) support paid paternity leave." https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/03/23/americans-widely-support-paid-family-and-medical-leave-but-differ-over-specific-policies/ |
Again, put it to a vote and you will lose. |
Do you think if you keep repeating this that it makes it more likely? Do you have a fact or stat to rebut those another PP put forth? |
Once again. Put it to a vote in every state for 2024. If you're right and I'm wrong you get gloating rights. |
You are such a stereotype. |
Why in the world would one need a year of maternity leave PLUS 6 months of paternity leave? My husband was active duty military and deployed within weeks of the births of my babies---DEPLOYED to a foreign country for 7+ months. Not around AT ALL---not "in his home office from 10 am-1 pm but able to come out and get coffee, walk the dog, and do whatever as often as he wants." I managed to breastfeed all my babies. |
NP: So you were a SAHM. That already puts you ahead of a lot of mothers who went back to work at 6 weeks. Hard to breastfeed your babies when you're away from them most of the day. |
Boo hoo. Live within your means and you can stay home with your children and breastfeed all day long. |
How Americans feel about government paid maternity/paternity leave. https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/americans-want-paid-leave-until-they-realize-they-have-pay-it |
NP. Sadly I think you’re correct. This type of thinking is well represented in men, which is why America has no paid maternity leave, no subsidized daycare system, why our schools are underfunded etc. It completely points out the dire need for more women in Congress who can represent us. PP may not have kids and likely came from a wealthy mom who had plenty of family support. Why else would he want everything to be a million times harder than it needs to be?! On the whole men are selfish and only think of themselves. (Which is why international aid organizations typically try to give money to women because they will spend money on their families and pay to build community!) |
PP you quoted here. Yes, and if this hypothetical person got 1 year of maternity leave, they would also be a SAHM for that year. Why do they additionally need their husband home 24/7 for six months? |
| So we can argue about breast feeding and maternity leave, or we can discuss why we are having so much trouble with supply chains and why we are farming so much out to China, given we are now moving into a shortage of antibiotics, which you can’t produce yourself. |