FCPS CRT or nah?

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Anonymous wrote:This will not be received well I presume. And I am not dissing teachers, I was one for more than 20 years. Also, I imagine the bingo board in this assignment was developed somewhere in a central office and not by a classroom teacher.

An interesting assignment for the teachers and schools using Privilege Bingo. Can you make a Bingo for the FCPS Leadership Team?

I was not FCPS leadership, so I do not know, but I imigine there are not enough spaces on the board!

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Anonymous wrote:This will not be received well I presume. And I am not dissing teachers, I was one for more than 20 years. Also, I imagine the bingo board in this assignment was developed somewhere in a central office and not by a classroom teacher.

An interesting assignment for the teachers and schools using Privilege Bingo. Can you make a Bingo for the FCPS Leadership Team?

I was not FCPS leadership, so I do not know, but I imigine there are not enough spaces on the board!

FCPS parent here and can confirm there is no CRT being taught in school.

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Anonymous wrote:@10:07, interesting ramblings. The only flaw to your activity is paid days off. Teachers & school staff only work 194 days and their salary is based on 194 days. Any "traditional" work days (e.g. for a person that doesn't work at a school would normally be expected to work) that a teacher doesn't work b/c kids are not in school (think particular days of winter break, spring break, the day before Thanksgiving, etc.) are not paid. Take a teacher's salary, divide it by 194, and that's the daily rate. If the non-school days were paid vacation days, then their salary would be X% higher.

The only paid days "off" are sick/personal leave (and snow days, when they occur), of which a teacher gets X amount per year. 12 month employees, like principals, get 26 or so days of annual leave, b/c their contracts are longer (the 12 month thing)--they work many more days in their contract and get paid accordingly.

PP here. Point taken.

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FCPS parent here and can confirm there is no CRT being taught in school.

Yeah, right.

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FCPS parent here and can confirm there is no CRT being taught in school.

Yeah, right.

Imagine being the parent of one child, age/grade undisclosed, and saying that because it isn't for your child, or that you're unaware of it, it isn't happening. I wouldn't have had any idea if school hadn't been virtual and/or if my kids all stayed in their rooms all day for virtual school. Once I overheard some of the material in their homeroom class, we discussed it and my kids told me these socio emotional lessons are relatively new and that they've become increasingly more political/social justice oriented.

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Anonymous wrote:I would estimate 80-90% of people who post here did not vote for Youngkin, but this lesson is why Youngkin won. If the Democrats stick to defending these lessons and say “CRT” is not in schools because they’re pedants about what CRT is, then the red wave will break records. This lesson is offensive. This lesson has nothing to do with English class. But, I hope Democrats cling to this - the seismic shift from Democrat to Republican will just continue.

I didn't vote for Youngkin (or Trump) and haven't voted R for a top level position for probably a decade or more, but you can bet I did and will vote for every 'R' down the rest of the ticket exactly because of this and the other equity crap being pushed right now - specifically the Virginia Math Pathways Initiative to get rid of advanced math classes because "equity."

Awww, you poor thing. God forbid some other child has the same advantages as yours.

If you want special treatment for your advanced kid, get a tutor. Lots of parents do this. Public school is for the collective, not your individual kid. If you're relying on only the schools to get your desired outcome or path for your kid, then you're failing as a parent.

Having tutors/ extra instruction seemed to be one of the things vmpi was against. When they said on the webinars that some kids were privileged (had a head start because parents could send them to kinder already knowing how to count, ability to send kids to tutors/extra classes) and that to have more equitable education some people would have to give up their privilege, it definitely seems that they want parents to not allow their kids to progress at anything other than the rate of the slowest kid in the homogeneous class.

They could have instead tried to focus on ways to give more children access to those advantages ( free pre k programs, extra instruction for slower/disadvantaged students). But it truly seems what they were going for was a norming to the lowest common denominator approach

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would estimate 80-90% of people who post here did not vote for Youngkin, but this lesson is why Youngkin won. If the Democrats stick to defending these lessons and say “CRT” is not in schools because they’re pedants about what CRT is, then the red wave will break records. This lesson is offensive. This lesson has nothing to do with English class. But, I hope Democrats cling to this - the seismic shift from Democrat to Republican will just continue.

I didn't vote for Youngkin (or Trump) and haven't voted R for a top level position for probably a decade or more, but you can bet I did and will vote for every 'R' down the rest of the ticket exactly because of this and the other equity crap being pushed right now - specifically the Virginia Math Pathways Initiative to get rid of advanced math classes because "equity."

Awww, you poor thing. God forbid some other child has the same advantages as yours.

If you want special treatment for your advanced kid, get a tutor. Lots of parents do this. Public school is for the collective, not your individual kid. If you're relying on only the schools to get your desired outcome or path for your kid, then you're failing as a parent.

Having tutors/ extra instruction seemed to be one of the things vmpi was against. When they said on the webinars that some kids were privileged (had a head start because parents could send them to kinder already knowing how to count, ability to send kids to tutors/extra classes) and that to have more equitable education some people would have to give up their privilege, it definitely seems that they want parents to not allow their kids to progress at anything other than the rate of the slowest kid in the homogeneous class.

They could have instead tried to focus on ways to give more children access to those advantages ( free pre k programs, extra instruction for slower/disadvantaged students). But it truly seems what they were going for was a norming to the lowest common denominator approach

+1 Exactly right

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Moreover, why do they single out Christians as a privilege? How many privileged Christians are on the FCPS School Board? And, what percentage do they represent?


This is a great example. There is such a thing as Christian privilege, but I'd argue that it's not simple things like people saying 'merry christmas' or the school system giving kids a break over Christmas or the fact that nothing is open on Sunday morning. Where we see Christian privilege in our society is where Christians can get passes or breaks, especially in the legal system, for being a Christian or holding Christian views. For example,
-Parole boards look more favorably at someone who has 'found jesus' in prison than someone who hasn't.
-Judges might make attendance at Christian religious programs a requirement for parole (like AA) and not allow alternative programs
-Christians often get legal rulings allowing them to 'opt out'/disregard laws they don't like (Little Sisters of the Poor, Hobby Lobby, everyone trying to opt out of covid vaccination, Bladensburg Cross) but other religions often cannot get courts to allow them to opt out of laws they don't like under the same statutes (TST members cannot opt out of pressure tactics around abortion
-Inmates scheduled for execution are told that they can only have a Christian priest there for their last rites.
-Towns/School boards will allow Christian proselytizing in government/school forums up until another religion asks for equal treatment, then the others are shut out. You see this a lot of time with invocations, handing out bibles in school, prayer at school, etc.
-Chrstians may be allowed to wear tokens of their faith (ie, cross necklace) but dress codes may expressly prohibit visual tokens of other faiths (ie, hijabs).

Instead of just saying 'Christians are privileged' I think it's important to explain exactly what that looks like, so that people understand the types of issues we have in our society, and have a better idea of how they might fix these things.


You have a lot of incorrect information in your post.

Bingo!

Let’s focus on the “privilege” of being a Christian in Fairfax and FCPS:

* Elizabeth Schultz has been constantly criticized, mocked, insulted, and libeled during her time at the FCPS School Board, and now as the Virginia Assistant State Superintendent. You can add all the labels you want to Mrs. Schultz to justify your hate for Christians, but the truth remains: Unlike any other member of the School System and Board of other faiths, her faith has been singled out because anyone who comments on other faiths (but the Christian) is a bigot in FCPS. Otherwise, just ask your kids when was the last time they witnessed a FCPS staff tell them otherwise.
* Stacy Langton has been persecuted bullied, criticized, mocked, and insulted for her persistence to remove books that even Scott Ziegler, LCPS Superintendent, just removed from their schools because, "The pictorial depictions in this book ran counter to what is appropriate in school “. This bigotry against her stance extended to her family as well who has to watch over their backs given the threats from the community and from the government who labeled Stacy as a domestic terrorist.
* Dolley Maddison, a Fairfax Co library, as a part of its Christmas exhibit, mocked and desecrated The Holy Bible by displaying it next to sexually explicit books that contain graphic images of pornography and pedophilia. Besides some “privileged” Christians, there was no outrage from other members of the community.
* Christian students have been thrown in the closest at FCPS because they are repeatedly shamed for standing up for marriage and separation of sexes in school grounds such as bathrooms and lockers, or other areas where they are exposed to genitals from the opposite sex.
* About crosses, they are just like any accessory worn by anyone at school in FCPS, even by those whose life styles mock the Christian faith. Yet, Christian students don’t stage attacks against the cross to get attention to themselves because they are not taught to see themselves as victims.
* Other faiths at FCPS benefit from changes sought and implemented by people like Elizabeth and Stacy because their faiths also espouse such causes—such is the case of rejection of pornography and pedophilia—, nevertheless, they remain silent and comfortably watch from the sides as the “privileged” Christians get abused for standing up against common beliefs.

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

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So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

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So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

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So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would estimate 80-90% of people who post here did not vote for Youngkin, but this lesson is why Youngkin won. If the Democrats stick to defending these lessons and say “CRT” is not in schools because they’re pedants about what CRT is, then the red wave will break records. This lesson is offensive. This lesson has nothing to do with English class. But, I hope Democrats cling to this - the seismic shift from Democrat to Republican will just continue.

I didn't vote for Youngkin (or Trump) and haven't voted R for a top level position for probably a decade or more, but you can bet I did and will vote for every 'R' down the rest of the ticket exactly because of this and the other equity crap being pushed right now - specifically the Virginia Math Pathways Initiative to get rid of advanced math classes because "equity."

Awww, you poor thing. God forbid some other child has the same advantages as yours.

If you want special treatment for your advanced kid, get a tutor. Lots of parents do this. Public school is for the collective, not your individual kid. If you're relying on only the schools to get your desired outcome or path for your kid, then you're failing as a parent.

Having tutors/ extra instruction seemed to be one of the things vmpi was against. When they said on the webinars that some kids were privileged (had a head start because parents could send them to kinder already knowing how to count, ability to send kids to tutors/extra classes) and that to have more equitable education some people would have to give up their privilege, it definitely seems that they want parents to not allow their kids to progress at anything other than the rate of the slowest kid in the homogeneous class.

They could have instead tried to focus on ways to give more children access to those advantages ( free pre k programs, extra instruction for slower/disadvantaged students). But it truly seems what they were going for was a norming to the lowest common denominator approach

It’s government school. While every child is entitled to a free and appropriate education, “appropriate” might mean “everyone gets the same” rather than previous interpretations that indicated “appropriate” means best suited to the child, whether that’s advanced/gifted education for one, remedial for another and the child that needs remedial today may be best served by advanced education three years from now.

Government does one size fits all much better than it specializes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.