FCPS CRT or nah?

[Anonymous]

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

Yes. Once upon a time corporal punishment was allowed in schools. Now, teachers cannot make kids sit in a corner because it is "humiliating."

p.s. not supporting corporal punishment.

[Anonymous]

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So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

... That doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

Yes. Once upon a time corporal punishment was allowed in schools. Now, teachers cannot make kids sit in a corner because it is "humiliating."

p.s. not supporting corporal punishment.

There is an interesting discussion to be had about the breakdown of community trust and divergent values.

In an time and place where the community was smaller and you knew almost everyone, you might have been okay with corporal punishment (not knowing of the psychological damage it can do) because the third grade teacher swatting your child’s hand twice with a ruler was likely to be your great aunt, your dad’s best friend, a fellow member of the gardening club or an old classmate of yours etc.

Now that a teacher is more likely to be a complete stranger, unconnected to you or anyone you know you it’s understandable that people are less trusting of motive and methods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

Yes. Once upon a time corporal punishment was allowed in schools. Now, teachers cannot make kids sit in a corner because it is "humiliating."

p.s. not supporting corporal punishment.

There is an interesting discussion to be had about the breakdown of community trust and divergent values.

In an time and place where the community was smaller and you knew almost everyone, you might have been okay with corporal punishment (not knowing of the psychological damage it can do) because the third grade teacher swatting your child’s hand twice with a ruler was likely to be your great aunt, your dad’s best friend, a fellow member of the gardening club or an old classmate of yours etc.

Now that a teacher is more likely to be a complete stranger, unconnected to you or anyone you know you it’s understandable that people are less trusting of motive and methods.

But I digress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

Yes. Once upon a time corporal punishment was allowed in schools. Now, teachers cannot make kids sit in a corner because it is "humiliating."

p.s. not supporting corporal punishment.

There is an interesting discussion to be had about the breakdown of community trust and divergent values.

In an time and place where the community was smaller and you knew almost everyone, you might have been okay with corporal punishment (not knowing of the psychological damage it can do) because the third grade teacher swatting your child’s hand twice with a ruler was likely to be your great aunt, your dad’s best friend, a fellow member of the gardening club or an old classmate of yours etc.

Now that a teacher is more likely to be a complete stranger, unconnected to you or anyone you know you it’s understandable that people are less trusting of motive and methods.

Studies have shown that, when corporal punishment is the norm in society, no psychological damage is done. Only when it is generally disfavored are the victims injured.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Movies depicting sex acts are not allowed YET, just as a graphic novel depicting sex acts wouldn’t have been allowed not too long ago.

Give it a few years.

Yes. Once upon a time corporal punishment was allowed in schools. Now, teachers cannot make kids sit in a corner because it is "humiliating."

p.s. not supporting corporal punishment.

There is an interesting discussion to be had about the breakdown of community trust and divergent values.

In an time and place where the community was smaller and you knew almost everyone, you might have been okay with corporal punishment (not knowing of the psychological damage it can do) because the third grade teacher swatting your child’s hand twice with a ruler was likely to be your great aunt, your dad’s best friend, a fellow member of the gardening club or an old classmate of yours etc.

Now that a teacher is more likely to be a complete stranger, unconnected to you or anyone you know you it’s understandable that people are less trusting of motive and methods.

Studies have shown that, when corporal punishment is the norm in society, no psychological damage is done. Only when it is generally disfavored are the victims injured.

You're going to have to cite the hell out of that claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

Graphic novels are popular choice for kids with reading disabilities.

Why are sexual words OK but images aren't?

The language in some books in the school libraries is MUCH more graphic than the images in this graphic novel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

Graphic novels are popular choice for kids with reading disabilities.

Why are sexual words OK but images aren't?

The language in some books in the school libraries is MUCH more graphic than the images in this graphic novel.

Maybe we just put some old copies of Playboy in the HS libraries. I hear the articles were pretty good.

[Anonymous]

Studies have shown that, when corporal punishment is the norm in society, no psychological damage is done. Only when it is generally disfavored are the victims injured.


You're going to have to cite the hell out of that claim.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, Christians are oppressed because you aren’t allowed to dictate things like what books are available to everyone in a library? Kids are challenged if they want to shame other people’s families?

I suspect there are a lot of people who think that Gender Queer does not belong in the school library. Have you seen the pictures?

Oh no. You are so oppressed because you weren't able to ban that book that other families think should be available.

The book had images of sex acts in them. I cannot believe we’re supposed to be okay with that because “some families” want their children to see images of oral sex being performed.

There are sex acts in all kinds of books.

It was a good book to have available to HS students who may benefit from hearing that author's experience.

You are supposed to be OK when you don't get to decide things for everyone else.

Books, okay (although there are limits). Movies? Not allowed. So why are graphic novels allowed? Why is that okay?

Graphic novels are popular choice for kids with reading disabilities.

Why are sexual words OK but images aren't?

The language in some books in the school libraries is MUCH more graphic than the images in this graphic novel.

Maybe we just put some old copies of Playboy in the HS libraries. I hear the articles were pretty good.

That might get kids offline. We had to make do with National Geographic.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I heard that as long as the perpetrator is a loved one, getting your ass beaten with a belt doesn't even hurt at all!

[Anonymous]

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So your take is that every kid should be in the same class? What about kids who are way behind grade level? Should they just sit there and learn nothing or should they get extra help? I just don't understand the argument for putting every kid in the same class unless you want every kid to learn at the same pace as the least common denominator. What a waste of time for all the other kids who could easily learn much faster.

Use a little common sense. No class --even AAP or GT (which really did have smart kids) is on the same level. I taught for years where we did not track kids. It is not that difficult to teach different levels. Do you really think there is that big a difference from the bottom kid in AAP and the top kid in GenEd?

Sure, a teacher can work with kids who are way behind--and, with the kids that are way ahead. Do you really think a teacher in the elementary school stands in front of the class and does direct instruction to the whole class all day with all kids doing the same thing at the same time? (Also, those who are struggling are likely getting additional outside help if they have an IEP.)

Here's another little gem: kids do not always stay at the same "spot" in the hierarchy. Some go at different speeds at different times. A kid who is a whiz at math may struggle with language arts. And, vice versa.

EXACTLY. I have never understood why AAP kids are often advanced in math, but not in language arts. Meanwhile, plenty of GE kids are excellent readers and writers, but on-level for math - so not placed in AAP. It's absurd. GT students - actual gifted students from when there was a real GT program - were gifted in all areas. They were exceptional. And there were very few of them. The current AAP model is just bizarre.

[Anonymous]

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VMPI is dead.

And they pulled detracking almost a year ago, so…it seems like you have misplaced anger.

VPMI is dead only because it actually got enough press to be exposed. Doesn't mean we've forgotten who tried to push it through in the first place.

They are still trying to push through changes to the advanced classes. The VPMI website was updated after the publicity it got to try to make it more defendable. They are still renaming courses and trying to combine them in an effort to combine as many kids as possible into the same math levels.

They were reworking the courses and adding new options. But as of April 2021 they weren’t taking away acceleration/advanced classes. That has been - and would have been - up to the school systems.

Stop pushing GOP lies.

[Anonymous]

My favorite lies are from dems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
VMPI is dead.

And they pulled detracking almost a year ago, so…it seems like you have misplaced anger.

VPMI is dead only because it actually got enough press to be exposed. Doesn't mean we've forgotten who tried to push it through in the first place.

They are still trying to push through changes to the advanced classes. The VPMI website was updated after the publicity it got to try to make it more defendable. They are still renaming courses and trying to combine them in an effort to combine as many kids as possible into the same math levels.

They were reworking the courses and adding new options. But as of April 2021 they weren’t taking away acceleration/advanced classes. That has been - and would have been - up to the school systems.

Stop pushing GOP lies.

VMPI was garbage. Thankfully one good part of Youngkin's disaster of a first executive order was to get rid of VMPI so at least that is settled.
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