“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:I guess when Republicans lie, cheat, and steal to form an illegitimate SCOTUS and then overthrow decades of settled law, some people might get upset.

I still maintain that the primary threat against the regressive justices will be right wingers who want to give the appearance of violent liberals as they did throughout summer 2020. This is the way the GOP operates and violence and intimidation is specifically the way the forced birther movement has worked throughout the last fifty years.

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This is exactly what I would expect a LWNJ to say. You people are in fine form today, even as one of your own has admitted to attempting murder of three conservative judges.

And your foolish non-response is exactly what a forced birther would say. For fifty years you guys stalked, murdered, kidnapped, blew up, set fire to and vandalized, and with the blessing of the regressive justices who said it was permissible to harass clinic workers at their homes and to harass women seeking medical care, that forced birthers’ freedom of speech took greater precedent than anything else.

No one takes you seriously anymore, are you getting that yet? No one buys your crap about “life” because we can see you don’t give a crap.

Except that I'm pro-choice. Which absolutely negates your unhinged rant. Believe it or not, you can be pro-choice without being a far-left loon.

We need more sane pro choice people, so continue to speak up. These people have redefined "pro choice" so much that even though I believe abortion should be legal in most cases, the extreme lunatics attack me for being "pro life." There must be a sane middle ground.

There was a sane middle ground. It was called Roe.

Roe was indeed a sane middle ground, had it been passed by Congress.

What have Dems been doing for FIFTY years?

Being obstructed by Republicans.

You're joking, right? Dems have had clear majorities in Congress several times for FIFTY f#####g years, and you say with straight face it's Republicans' fault?

Someone has sold you a huge bridge.

Not filibuster proof.

Also, there was the lie those Republicans told about Roe being "settled law. "

False.

Plus, with Roe in place, Dems could have negotiated with some moderate Reps like McCain. Now there's no leverage.

DP. With Roe in place, moderate Republicans had zero incentive to join abortion protecting legislation that would have alienated a significant portion of their base.

+1 they never, ever, ever had any incentive to negotiate on this. and you might say that dems never did either - why would we pass a 15 week ban when we had roe in place, which gave us greater protections?

Because....what just happened.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess when Republicans lie, cheat, and steal to form an illegitimate SCOTUS and then overthrow decades of settled law, some people might get upset.

I still maintain that the primary threat against the regressive justices will be right wingers who want to give the appearance of violent liberals as they did throughout summer 2020. This is the way the GOP operates and violence and intimidation is specifically the way the forced birther movement has worked throughout the last fifty years.

O. M. G.
This is exactly what I would expect a LWNJ to say. You people are in fine form today, even as one of your own has admitted to attempting murder of three conservative judges.

And your foolish non-response is exactly what a forced birther would say. For fifty years you guys stalked, murdered, kidnapped, blew up, set fire to and vandalized, and with the blessing of the regressive justices who said it was permissible to harass clinic workers at their homes and to harass women seeking medical care, that forced birthers’ freedom of speech took greater precedent than anything else.

No one takes you seriously anymore, are you getting that yet? No one buys your crap about “life” because we can see you don’t give a crap.

Except that I'm pro-choice. Which absolutely negates your unhinged rant. Believe it or not, you can be pro-choice without being a far-left loon.

We need more sane pro choice people, so continue to speak up. These people have redefined "pro choice" so much that even though I believe abortion should be legal in most cases, the extreme lunatics attack me for being "pro life." There must be a sane middle ground.

There was a sane middle ground. It was called Roe.

Roe was indeed a sane middle ground, had it been passed by Congress.

What have Dems been doing for FIFTY years?

Being obstructed by Republicans.

You're joking, right? Dems have had clear majorities in Congress several times for FIFTY f#####g years, and you say with straight face it's Republicans' fault?

Someone has sold you a huge bridge.

Not filibuster proof.

Also, there was the lie those Republicans told about Roe being "settled law. "

False.

Plus, with Roe in place, Dems could have negotiated with some moderate Reps like McCain. Now there's no leverage.

DP. With Roe in place, moderate Republicans had zero incentive to join abortion protecting legislation that would have alienated a significant portion of their base.

+1 they never, ever, ever had any incentive to negotiate on this. and you might say that dems never did either - why would we pass a 15 week ban when we had roe in place, which gave us greater protections?

Because....what just happened.

And the political blowback will give the Dems the opportunity to pass a few things:

-codify roe
-fully fund the aca
-ensure voting rights act
-ensure redistricting commissions to end gerrymandering (on both sides)
-codify election security standards

The list goes on, but if a new senate is willing to bend the filibuster for civil rights (voting, abortion, privacy, marraige etc) then our society will be better for it.

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Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

Much harder to undo a federal law. For a lot of "conservatives" the issue was Roe being legislated from the bench, not a question of pro-life/pro-choice. That said, women's rights have the support of over 70% of the public and that number is higher for people under 30, so if the GOP really wants to go that route, they do it at their own peril.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

Much harder to undo a federal law. For a lot of "conservatives" the issue was Roe being legislated from the bench, not a question of pro-life/pro-choice. That said, women's rights have the support of over 70% of the public and that number is higher for people under 30, so if the GOP really wants to go that route, they do it at their own peril.

Their concern about legislating from the bench was merely a fig leaf for their contempt for women’s rights. The missing 30% that don’t support women’s rights are the republican base. And somehow they manage to dictate to the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

So Congress codifies Roe and red states sue and win at SCOTUS. Trust me please. This is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

Much harder to undo a federal law. For a lot of "conservatives" the issue was Roe being legislated from the bench, not a question of pro-life/pro-choice. That said, women's rights have the support of over 70% of the public and that number is higher for people under 30, so if the GOP really wants to go that route, they do it at their own peril.

For a lot of “conservatives” they talked about Roe “being legislated from the bench,” but what they meant was “women aren’t people and aren’t entitled to rights.” That’s certainly what they’ve proven over the last few years. Soft conservative women always thought the party meant LiFe; they never thought they’d be enslaved by their own forced birth politics. I think the GOP is about to enter a new phase of “FO.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

Much harder to undo a federal law. For a lot of "conservatives" the issue was Roe being legislated from the bench, not a question of pro-life/pro-choice. That said, women's rights have the support of over 70% of the public and that number is higher for people under 30, so if the GOP really wants to go that route, they do it at their own peril.

Their concern about legislating from the bench was merely a fig leaf for their contempt for women’s rights. The missing 30% that don’t support women’s rights are the republican base. And somehow they manage to dictate to the rest of us.

Because they’ve cheated for years. So much policy we’ve been forced to suffer under has been illegitimate, and we know this because the GOP can’t stop admitting to crimes by projecting them onto the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people think codifying roe will do anything? Republicans will just undo it the minute they get power.

It’s not the answer. We need to expand the court. For our kids’ futures, for democracy’s future. The current Court is a sham. Republicans, should they control the senate, will never give a democratic president another justice. Never.

Much harder to undo a federal law. For a lot of "conservatives" the issue was Roe being legislated from the bench, not a question of pro-life/pro-choice. That said, women's rights have the support of over 70% of the public and that number is higher for people under 30, so if the GOP really wants to go that route, they do it at their own peril.

Their concern about legislating from the bench was merely a fig leaf for their contempt for women’s rights. The missing 30% that don’t support women’s rights are the republican base. And somehow they manage to dictate to the rest of us.

Because they’ve cheated for years. So much policy we’ve been forced to suffer under has been illegitimate, and we know this because the GOP can’t stop admitting to crimes by projecting them onto the rest of us.

Yeah. So we need to restore balance to the Court. It’s really not going to work any other way.

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Anonymous wrote:So Congress codifies Roe and red states sue and win at SCOTUS. Trust me please. This is stupid.

What is stupid is your comment. If Congress codifies Roe red states can whine and whine but Roe remains the law; SCOTUS doesn't even get a say.

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Anonymous wrote:So Congress codifies Roe and red states sue and win at SCOTUS. Trust me please. This is stupid.

What is stupid is your comment. If Congress codifies Roe red states can whine and whine but Roe remains the law; SCOTUS doesn't even get a say.

Not true at all. States will argue that the federal law is invalid. And they’ll win. Because the SCOTUS is corrupt.

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We cannot have a functioning democracy without functioning judiciary. Period. We have a huge effing problem.

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If SCOTUS can overturn Roe with the worst reasoned opinion in US history, what makes anyone think they’ll uphold a law codifying it. People please (specifically Dems in the Senate) Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:So Congress codifies Roe and red states sue and win at SCOTUS. Trust me please. This is stupid.

What is stupid is your comment. If Congress codifies Roe red states can whine and whine but Roe remains the law; SCOTUS doesn't even get a say.

Not true at all. States will argue that the federal law is invalid. And they’ll win. Because the SCOTUS is corrupt.

Sorry, what's corrupt is your understanding of how this all works. States coud argue whatever but it'd go nowhere with a federal law in place.

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Anonymous wrote:If SCOTUS can overturn Roe with the worst reasoned opinion in US history, what makes anyone think they’ll uphold a law codifying it. People please (specifically Dems in the Senate) Wake up.

Everyone who supports the Dobbs decision has been lying and saying that all it did was leave abortion up to the states, but in the opinion states that it actually leaves abortion up to “the people and their representatives.“ It opened the door to a federal law, one way or the other.