Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

No. I don't see anything ridiculous about them. Ridiculous how?

It’s understandable people not impacted may not notice but they include splitting up individual neighborhoods at an elementary level which seems even worse than a split feeder.

Which neighborhoods?

I was surprised they changed the ES boundaries. I thought they were only looking at HS boundaries.

A randomly selected portion of the Virginia Run neighborhood is split off to Bull Run.

That's very odd b/c Va Run is way under capacity and Bull Run is not.

Yes, that's strange because its the same development, why are they trying to take kids out of VRES when its way under capacity and Bull Run is not?

That is a bizarre suggestion which makes no sense in any way. The neighborhood ES is literally in that development, and way under capacity. This is the sort of thing that happens when you have out of state consultants who don't know the area.
just taking stabs in the dark.

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Anonymous wrote:For this entire time, Lees Corner was not part of the change. And now at the very last minute they spring this on us? Moving us to a school that's easily a 20-30 minute drive ONE WAY. This is so f-ed up. Our neighborhoods are ready to fight.

I just google mapped westfield to my friends house, who is on the furthest part of Lee's Corner boundary and it said 15 min.

Rt 50 is gridlocked in the afternoons from all the people headed home to South Riding. My Lees Corner kid has swim practice at Cub Run Rec Center and at 4:30pm it definitely takes 30 mins.

In fact, it would make more sense to send Poplar Tree kids to Westfield since they can make it to Stonecroft Blvd without going on 50.

Luckily, high school doesn't let out at 4:30pm.

And they would be going home east, against traffic.....

I am the parent of a HS student who does sports, and I have to drive to HS quite a bit to bring them gear (which they can't keep at school because of space issues), attend games, meetings etc.

And no matter how far Westfield is, it doesn't change the fact that Chantilly is WALKING DISTANCE.

Right, so all those Centreville parents have to drive even farther than you?

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

Option 1 is very logical and clean at the MS/HS level to me. I think the ES stuff could easily be cleaned up.

Why option 1 is logical? Because it send Lees Corner to Westfield?

It seems like the least amount of shuffling. Draft 3 has a ton of shuffling with weird boundaries. Draft 2 is bizarre for MS, sending some kids to a different MS then back to the original HS pyramid.

It seems like? Option 1 is the worst.

Why? Do you in Lees Corner boundary?

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

Option 1 is very logical and clean at the MS/HS level to me. I think the ES stuff could easily be cleaned up.

Why option 1 is logical? Because it send Lees Corner to Westfield?

No. This started with boundaries for Skyview. It is hard to keep up with the moving pieces.

Option 1 for Skyview is the best. But, Lee's Corner should not be moved to Westfield. Two things can both be true.

There are kids at Chantilly who live much closer to Westfield than Lee's Corner.

The options are all awful. They should have stuck to the high schools, but when they started playing with middle and elementary it got confusing.

In my view, they need to put priority on proximity and keeping neighborhoods together. Figure out the high schools first.

I think there were some political decisions here to make certain options unreasonable. They threw monkey wrenches in. Like moving Lee's Corner out of Chantilly and moving much of Navy in. Can't remember which option that was.

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Anonymous wrote:For this entire time, Lees Corner was not part of the change. And now at the very last minute they spring this on us? Moving us to a school that's easily a 20-30 minute drive ONE WAY. This is so f-ed up. Our neighborhoods are ready to fight.

I just google mapped westfield to my friends house, who is on the furthest part of Lee's Corner boundary and it said 15 min.

Rt 50 is gridlocked in the afternoons from all the people headed home to South Riding. My Lees Corner kid has swim practice at Cub Run Rec Center and at 4:30pm it definitely takes 30 mins.

In fact, it would make more sense to send Poplar Tree kids to Westfield since they can make it to Stonecroft Blvd without going on 50.

Interesting. Google Maps Arrive By Feature says it takes 14 minutes to get from Lees Corner ES to Cub Run at 4:30 pm. That feature is very accurate.

Ok....I don't live at the school? I am telling you my exact real life experience in driving to Cub Run Rec Center. Sounds like you don't know the area.

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

No. I don't see anything ridiculous about them. Ridiculous how?

It’s understandable people not impacted may not notice but they include splitting up individual neighborhoods at an elementary level which seems even worse than a split feeder.

Which neighborhoods?

I was surprised they changed the ES boundaries. I thought they were only looking at HS boundaries.

A randomly selected portion of the Virginia Run neighborhood is split off to Bull Run.

That's very odd b/c Va Run is way under capacity and Bull Run is not.

Yes, that's strange because its the same development, why are they trying to take kids out of VRES when its way under capacity and Bull Run is not?

This is not true. VRES has a higher current utilization than BRES and did under all the previous comprehensive boundary scenarios. While I agree it is odd to move a section of a community school out of the community, I'm assuming it is because BRES is under-utilized compared to VRES.

Moving part of the neighborhood makes VRES only 75% utilized and Bull Run at 85%.

Right now VRES is 85 and BRES is 77.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

Option 1 is very logical and clean at the MS/HS level to me. I think the ES stuff could easily be cleaned up.

Why option 1 is logical? Because it send Lees Corner to Westfield?

No. This started with boundaries for Skyview. It is hard to keep up with the moving pieces.

Option 1 for Skyview is the best. But, Lee's Corner should not be moved to Westfield. Two things can both be true.

There are kids at Chantilly who live much closer to Westfield than Lee's Corner.

The options are all awful. They should have stuck to the high schools, but when they started playing with middle and elementary it got confusing.

In my view, they need to put priority on proximity and keeping neighborhoods together. Figure out the high schools first.

I think there were some political decisions here to make certain options unreasonable. They threw monkey wrenches in. Like moving Lee's Corner out of Chantilly and moving much of Navy in. Can't remember which option that was.

It is very obvious you are just messing with us.

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Anonymous wrote:For this entire time, Lees Corner was not part of the change. And now at the very last minute they spring this on us? Moving us to a school that's easily a 20-30 minute drive ONE WAY. This is so f-ed up. Our neighborhoods are ready to fight.

I just google mapped westfield to my friends house, who is on the furthest part of Lee's Corner boundary and it said 15 min.

Rt 50 is gridlocked in the afternoons from all the people headed home to South Riding. My Lees Corner kid has swim practice at Cub Run Rec Center and at 4:30pm it definitely takes 30 mins.

In fact, it would make more sense to send Poplar Tree kids to Westfield since they can make it to Stonecroft Blvd without going on 50.

Luckily, high school doesn't let out at 4:30pm.

And they would be going home east, against traffic.....

I am the parent of a HS student who does sports, and I have to drive to HS quite a bit to bring them gear (which they can't keep at school because of space issues), attend games, meetings etc.

And no matter how far Westfield is, it doesn't change the fact that Chantilly is WALKING DISTANCE.

Right, so all those Centreville parents have to drive even farther than you?

What Centreville neighborhoods are you referring to? I want to understand where you are coming from. What's your current boundary and how is it changing? What were the original options presented for these neighborhoods?

I am trying to understand how Lees Corner got talked into moving out of the the HS they are closest to (Chantilly, .9 miles away), and then not the 2nd closest HS (Skyview, 3 miles away) but all the way to the 3rd closest (Westfield, 4.5 miles away).

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Anonymous wrote:WHAT THE HELL??? Crossfield families do not want to move to Franklin. It's a shitty middle school. KEEP CROSSFIELD AT CARSON.

Hahaha you got punked by the RIO people. They have been pushing for this.

So if we have a Crossfield kid at Carson in 7th grade now, will they have to go to a different school for 8th grade?

Good question. I assume this will be the following year. But, with this leadership, who knows.

Under no scenario would I have imagined moving Crossfield from Carson to Franklin. It is so much less convenient. Even in scenario 1, where they go to Skyview, they have them at Franklin instead of Carson, which is nonsensical, and eliminates one of the benefits of going to Skyview, which would have been that they would be moving with a cohort of friends from middle school.

So, staying at Oakton is convenient? Not a good argument.

Hilarious for someone to try to argue that they should stay at Carson because it's such a convenient location, but stay at Oakton instead of going to Skyview.

You either get Franklin/Oakton or Carson/Skyview. Pick one.

You are confusing multiple people. All three maps move Crossfield to Franklin. Even if they move us to Skyview, they still move us to Franklin. That makes NO SENSE. If they are moving Crossfield to Skyview, they should obviously keep them zoned to Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

No. I don't see anything ridiculous about them. Ridiculous how?

It’s understandable people not impacted may not notice but they include splitting up individual neighborhoods at an elementary level which seems even worse than a split feeder.

Which neighborhoods?

I was surprised they changed the ES boundaries. I thought they were only looking at HS boundaries.

A randomly selected portion of the Virginia Run neighborhood is split off to Bull Run.

That's very odd b/c Va Run is way under capacity and Bull Run is not.

Yes, that's strange because its the same development, why are they trying to take kids out of VRES when its way under capacity and Bull Run is not?

This is not true. VRES has a higher current utilization than BRES and did under all the previous comprehensive boundary scenarios. While I agree it is odd to move a section of a community school out of the community, I'm assuming it is because BRES is under-utilized compared to VRES.

Moving part of the neighborhood makes VRES only 75% utilized and Bull Run at 85%.

Right now VRES is 85 and BRES is 77.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't disagree; I think it is weird and doesn't make any sense since VRES is a true community school compared to BRES. I'm simply stating all the initial boundary scenarios under the comprehensive plan pushed VRES and CRES over 100% capacity. BRES families pushed against that saying it wasn't equitable to any of the kids at the 3 schools and they shouldn't over enroll any of the 3 when capacity existed. I'm just trying to explain what the back story is because I think it is relevant to what is happening now.

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Anonymous wrote:For this entire time, Lees Corner was not part of the change. And now at the very last minute they spring this on us? Moving us to a school that's easily a 20-30 minute drive ONE WAY. This is so f-ed up. Our neighborhoods are ready to fight.

I am one of the people that tried to tell you all this a while back. I completely agree it's ridiculous. But that Option E that was briefly out showed this. I knew it was going to be there because Reid wants to please the Crossfield b-ches.

I have been telling you this whole time that one of the Crossfield moms works at Gatehouse. This is her doing.

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Why are they tinkering around with elementary boundaries that have nothing to do with the High School boundaries? What are they trying to accomplish? That VRES neighborhood is Westfield and would go to Westfield under every scenario, so why are they trying to move it to a different ES? Its strange.

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

No. I don't see anything ridiculous about them. Ridiculous how?

It’s understandable people not impacted may not notice but they include splitting up individual neighborhoods at an elementary level which seems even worse than a split feeder.

Which neighborhoods?

I was surprised they changed the ES boundaries. I thought they were only looking at HS boundaries.

A randomly selected portion of the Virginia Run neighborhood is split off to Bull Run.

That's very odd b/c Va Run is way under capacity and Bull Run is not.

Yes, that's strange because its the same development, why are they trying to take kids out of VRES when its way under capacity and Bull Run is not?

Capacity aside splitting a single development at an elementary level seems particularly poor, almost cruel. Splitting a development seems worse than the split feeders they are supposedly trying to fix.

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Anonymous wrote:Are options 1 and 3 so ridiculous intentionally to push 2 and/or make it more palatable by comparison??

No. I don't see anything ridiculous about them. Ridiculous how?

It’s understandable people not impacted may not notice but they include splitting up individual neighborhoods at an elementary level which seems even worse than a split feeder.

Which neighborhoods?

I was surprised they changed the ES boundaries. I thought they were only looking at HS boundaries.

A randomly selected portion of the Virginia Run neighborhood is split off to Bull Run.

That's very odd b/c Va Run is way under capacity and Bull Run is not.

Yes, that's strange because its the same development, why are they trying to take kids out of VRES when its way under capacity and Bull Run is not?

This is not true. VRES has a higher current utilization than BRES and did under all the previous comprehensive boundary scenarios. While I agree it is odd to move a section of a community school out of the community, I'm assuming it is because BRES is under-utilized compared to VRES.

Moving part of the neighborhood makes VRES only 75% utilized and Bull Run at 85%.

Right now VRES is 85 and BRES is 77.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't disagree; I think it is weird and doesn't make any sense since VRES is a true community school compared to BRES. I'm simply stating all the initial boundary scenarios under the comprehensive plan pushed VRES and CRES over 100% capacity. BRES families pushed against that saying it wasn't equitable to any of the kids at the 3 schools and they shouldn't over enroll any of the 3 when capacity existed. I'm just trying to explain what the back story is because I think it is relevant to what is happening now.

I don't remember any neighborhood changes in the boundary study earlier this year that moved neighborhoods around Centre Ridge or VRES.

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Can someone post the link again so I don't have to scroll back ?? pages?