DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:When will the DA schedule for the 2018-2019 season come out? It's mid-July already. It came out much earlier last year.A sign of chaos at DA?

Heard it was coming out next week. Wasn't much earlier last year and the season just ended with the championships yesterday.

Thanks. Remembered it's at the beginning of June last year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

How many of those "FCV girls" were cut and are no longer there? The 04's added 3 kids from McLean at the expense of their own "developed" kids. And that is just the one to one trade off. Other kids were cut to get from 22 down to 18. How many kids on the upcoming roster will have been FCV for more than 3-4 years? 5? 8?

Add a kid here and there over the next 3 years and that number will dip below 5 home grown kids. When you start at U14 with half the roster with your own kids and then reduce that by a third within one year is not #Development.

The 04 DA team added three players. What's wrong with that? Didn't other DA's in the area add to their rosters, cut from their rosters? I thought that's how it goes. Some kids left on their own, others weren't offered spots this time around. That's how it goes on ANY team. I have no idea why you project this onto FCV as though the other club rosters stayed the same, no one got cut and no "outside players" joined. It happens every year at EVERY high level club. It's not an FCV thing, it's a soccer thing. Should clubs just not even bother with tryouts then? And more like 10+ of the 04 team is "homegrown."

[Anonymous]

What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

To each their own. That decision and whatever the "exit plan" is belongs to each family. You choose the best option for you/your child. Hard to say that far out anyway, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

How many of those "FCV girls" were cut and are no longer there? The 04's added 3 kids from McLean at the expense of their own "developed" kids. And that is just the one to one trade off. Other kids were cut to get from 22 down to 18. How many kids on the upcoming roster will have been FCV for more than 3-4 years? 5? 8?

Add a kid here and there over the next 3 years and that number will dip below 5 home grown kids. When you start at U14 with half the roster with your own kids and then reduce that by a third within one year is not #Development.

The 04 DA team added three players. What's wrong with that? Didn't other DA's in the area add to their rosters, cut from their rosters? I thought that's how it goes. Some kids left on their own, others weren't offered spots this time around. That's how it goes on ANY team. I have no idea why you project this onto FCV as though the other club rosters stayed the same, no one got cut and no "outside players" joined. It happens every year at EVERY high level club. It's not an FCV thing, it's a soccer thing. Should clubs just not even bother with tryouts then? And more like 10+ of the 04 team is "homegrown."

FCV projects itself as a club that develops talent. Lets start there. That would indicate that long term trained within FCV would stand more than a fighting chance to stick to a roster. If FCV is going to advertise a "DA Futures" youth program then the club should actually demonstrate that there is an inherent advantage to playing at FCV from a early age.

So, after one year of DA FCV has already reduced its home grown talent, that they had years to develop, by a third for kids essentially off the street. So it begs the question, what is the point of a program like "DA Futures" when your own long term developed kids can't hold off a kid from outside? And how many of those outside kids are truly better than the ones they are replacing?

Every club should always add talent when they can. I have no issue with that but it is the image that FCV likes to project that they DEVELOP when in fact they simply recruit. Just call it what it is. And again, when they were a ECNL club the point was to collect a bunch of good players and go to showcases. If collecting talent was all US Soccer wanted then ODP would still be a real thing. But the point of DA is to have vertical integration where kids are developed from young ages from within each DA club not just to wait until U14/U15 and see who shows up for ID sessions and cut lose kids you spent 4+ years supposedly developing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

To each their own. That decision and whatever the "exit plan" is belongs to each family. You choose the best option for you/your child. Hard to say that far out anyway, IMO.

Not far out at all.

Just happened to 03s.

Will happen to 04s in 8 months.

That 8 months will be upon you in the blink of an eye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

To each their own. That decision and whatever the "exit plan" is belongs to each family. You choose the best option for you/your child. Hard to say that far out anyway, IMO.

When your wife told you she was expecting did you consider the due date to be "that far out anyway"? If you are an 04 you essentially have the fall season to figure out where you likely stand in the pecking order so by winter you had better have a plan for spring because that due date is coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

To each their own. That decision and whatever the "exit plan" is belongs to each family. You choose the best option for you/your child. Hard to say that far out anyway, IMO.

When your wife told you she was expecting did you consider the due date to be "that far out anyway"? If you are an 04 you essentially have the fall season to figure out where you likely stand in the pecking order so by winter you had better have a plan for spring because that due date is coming.

Most good teams are comprised of older kids. For example, most good 04 teams are comprised of 8th graders who will be 9th graders next year.

Most 04 DA players will be forced out in 8 months. That means they need a new home for their 10th grade year. Arguably the most important year.

In a fairness, half the 04 roster is gone in 8 months. If not more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

How many of those "FCV girls" were cut and are no longer there? The 04's added 3 kids from McLean at the expense of their own "developed" kids. And that is just the one to one trade off. Other kids were cut to get from 22 down to 18. How many kids on the upcoming roster will have been FCV for more than 3-4 years? 5? 8?

Add a kid here and there over the next 3 years and that number will dip below 5 home grown kids. When you start at U14 with half the roster with your own kids and then reduce that by a third within one year is not #Development.

The 04 DA team added three players. What's wrong with that? Didn't other DA's in the area add to their rosters, cut from their rosters? I thought that's how it goes. Some kids left on their own, others weren't offered spots this time around. That's how it goes on ANY team. I have no idea why you project this onto FCV as though the other club rosters stayed the same, no one got cut and no "outside players" joined. It happens every year at EVERY high level club. It's not an FCV thing, it's a soccer thing. Should clubs just not even bother with tryouts then? And more like 10+ of the 04 team is "homegrown."

FCV projects itself as a club that develops talent. Lets start there. That would indicate that long term trained within FCV would stand more than a fighting chance to stick to a roster. If FCV is going to advertise a "DA Futures" youth program then the club should actually demonstrate that there is an inherent advantage to playing at FCV from a early age.

So, after one year of DA FCV has already reduced its home grown talent, that they had years to develop, by a third for kids essentially off the street. So it begs the question, what is the point of a program like "DA Futures" when your own long term developed kids can't hold off a kid from outside? And how many of those outside kids are truly better than the ones they are replacing?

Every club should always add talent when they can. I have no issue with that but it is the image that FCV likes to project that they DEVELOP when in fact they simply recruit. Just call it what it is. And again, when they were a ECNL club the point was to collect a bunch of good players and go to showcases. If collecting talent was all US Soccer wanted then ODP would still be a real thing. But the point of DA is to have vertical integration where kids are developed from young ages from within each DA club not just to wait until U14/U15 and see who shows up for ID sessions and cut lose kids you spent 4+ years supposedly developing.

Most of the kids did stick to the roster. The other local DA also cut its 04 roster drastically to get to a more manageable number, don't blame either club for doing that. So all 10+ of the kids on the 04 team that have been FCV for years, doesn't that shoot down your "they don't develop" mantra? Those kids are good, the team is good. People want to join a good team, so naturally you'll have some "outside" kids wanting to join the team. If they're good, should the club turn them away? You're saying that because every single player didn't stay on the roster, that FCV can't develop players? That's garbage. People leave for lots of reasons. I think the 04 DA showcases the development. You'll find lots of pics of those kids in FCV jerseys dating back to rec. I don't think we'll agree on this. You're hung up on the fact that some kids got cut or left, while completely overlooking that fact that most kids didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the 04 exit plan for next year?

Again, many will be rising 10th graders and being "compressed" out at their prime recruiting stage.

Does anyone want to address this?

It's the same for every club right? Either EDP or go to an ECNL club and play high school. Seems like the options are the same across the board for DA clubs when they are consolidated at the age group.

If you go ECNL after being compressed out, do you return the following year?

If my daughter doesn't make the combined age group, she will not do EDP. She will go ECNL and she wont return to the DA club the following year.

To each their own. That decision and whatever the "exit plan" is belongs to each family. You choose the best option for you/your child. Hard to say that far out anyway, IMO.

When your wife told you she was expecting did you consider the due date to be "that far out anyway"? If you are an 04 you essentially have the fall season to figure out where you likely stand in the pecking order so by winter you had better have a plan for spring because that due date is coming.

Most good teams are comprised of older kids. For example, most good 04 teams are comprised of 8th graders who will be 9th graders next year.

Most 04 DA players will be forced out in 8 months. That means they need a new home for their 10th grade year. Arguably the most important year.

In a fairness, half the 04 roster is gone in 8 months. If not more.

The fall season will definitely tell a lot and decisions will have to be made by lots of families. But it's true for every club and every family. Just saying that everyone will have to see how that fall season plays out before anyone knows what the next step is. I think everyone knows the options, but which option makes sense, is hard to decide until the season gets going.

[Anonymous]

And 6 out of 10 players on the FCV 04 team is gone in 8 months.
And 6 out of 10 players on the WS 04 team is gone in 8 months.
And 6 out 10 players on Arlington 04 team is gone in 8 months.

But you guys keep repping those clubs. Wink /thumbs up / hip bump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And 6 out of 10 players on the FCV 04 team is gone in 8 months.
And 6 out of 10 players on the WS 04 team is gone in 8 months.
And 6 out 10 players on Arlington 04 team is gone in 8 months.

But you guys keep repping those clubs. Wink /thumbs up / hip bump.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

How many of those "FCV girls" were cut and are no longer there? The 04's added 3 kids from McLean at the expense of their own "developed" kids. And that is just the one to one trade off. Other kids were cut to get from 22 down to 18. How many kids on the upcoming roster will have been FCV for more than 3-4 years? 5? 8?

Add a kid here and there over the next 3 years and that number will dip below 5 home grown kids. When you start at U14 with half the roster with your own kids and then reduce that by a third within one year is not #Development.

The 04 DA team added three players. What's wrong with that? Didn't other DA's in the area add to their rosters, cut from their rosters? I thought that's how it goes. Some kids left on their own, others weren't offered spots this time around. That's how it goes on ANY team. I have no idea why you project this onto FCV as though the other club rosters stayed the same, no one got cut and no "outside players" joined. It happens every year at EVERY high level club. It's not an FCV thing, it's a soccer thing. Should clubs just not even bother with tryouts then? And more like 10+ of the 04 team is "homegrown."

FCV projects itself as a club that develops talent. Lets start there. That would indicate that long term trained within FCV would stand more than a fighting chance to stick to a roster. If FCV is going to advertise a "DA Futures" youth program then the club should actually demonstrate that there is an inherent advantage to playing at FCV from a early age.

So, after one year of DA FCV has already reduced its home grown talent, that they had years to develop, by a third for kids essentially off the street. So it begs the question, what is the point of a program like "DA Futures" when your own long term developed kids can't hold off a kid from outside? And how many of those outside kids are truly better than the ones they are replacing?

Every club should always add talent when they can. I have no issue with that but it is the image that FCV likes to project that they DEVELOP when in fact they simply recruit. Just call it what it is. And again, when they were a ECNL club the point was to collect a bunch of good players and go to showcases. If collecting talent was all US Soccer wanted then ODP would still be a real thing. But the point of DA is to have vertical integration where kids are developed from young ages from within each DA club not just to wait until U14/U15 and see who shows up for ID sessions and cut lose kids you spent 4+ years supposedly developing.

Most of the kids did stick to the roster. The other local DA also cut its 04 roster drastically to get to a more manageable number, don't blame either club for doing that. So all 10+ of the kids on the 04 team that have been FCV for years, doesn't that shoot down your "they don't develop" mantra? Those kids are good, the team is good. People want to join a good team, so naturally you'll have some "outside" kids wanting to join the team. If they're good, should the club turn them away? You're saying that because every single player didn't stay on the roster, that FCV can't develop players? That's garbage. People leave for lots of reasons. I think the 04 DA showcases the development. You'll find lots of pics of those kids in FCV jerseys dating back to rec. I don't think we'll agree on this. You're hung up on the fact that some kids got cut or left, while completely overlooking that fact that most kids didn't.

When you cut kids that your club spent 4+ years “developing” then you are not developing.

When over the course of a season 60%+ of the roster is from the outside that is more than just “some outside kids”.

When you go from “10+” home grown kids down to about 6 that does not demonstrate “development”.

And, if you look deeper at the actual meaningful roles that the FCV kids actually play the real impact players drop down to 2-3 kids. FCV can’t even keep their home grown kids on the field over outside players.