DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see that FCV has started some cockamamie DA Futures in an attempt to rebuild their U-littles pipeline. Will it work?

You have zero basis for bashing FCV. They are the best DA program in the area and have produced more than their share of college-bound and YNT players. Bashing them just makes you look petty.

Be quiet fool. Just wait til I really bash them! I spent a pile of dough there so I have every right to bash away. But seriously, a DA futures program at U7-8?

And you thought just because your DD made the top team early on, it was a lifetime appointment? This isn't the Supreme Court. You have to keep working and getting better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see that FCV has started some cockamamie DA Futures in an attempt to rebuild their U-littles pipeline. Will it work?

You have zero basis for bashing FCV. They are the best DA program in the area and have produced more than their share of college-bound and YNT players. Bashing them just makes you look petty.

Be quiet fool. Just wait til I really bash them! I spent a pile of dough there so I have every right to bash away. But seriously, a DA futures program at U7-8?

And you thought just because your DD made the top team early on, it was a lifetime appointment? This isn't the Supreme Court. You have to keep working and getting better.

Sccrreee... off into the weeds. If it makes you feel better to invent a scenario where I am merely a disgruntled customer, have at it ! At some point though, maybe address why advertising a DA Futures program for U-littles is not pitiful.

[Anonymous]

what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And that is the way it should be. The top players should consolidate on the top teams. It’s reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And that is the way it should be. The top players should consolidate on the top teams. It’s reality.

I agree with you conceptually 100%. With that said, if a club is developing talent, at least some players should be from the original ranks, as FCV seems to attract top talent. So where is the development? That's what people dispute.

And it would be easy to take my DD over there to be on a "winning" team with definitely strong players. I just don't have the confidence in their coaching that they will continue her development and make her better than she is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

[Anonymous]

We give too much credit to these big clubs. I don't think they are the best developers over the long term. They might be good at developing younger kids up to a basic level but to get them from a point where they have the basic skills to the point where they have the tools to compete for a spot on a DA or ECNL team is lacking at many clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

[Anonymous]

What happen to FCV 03 team with the combined age group next year?

Did they lose most of their players or did they doing edp for a year?

I just can't see why a rising 03 10th grader would do EDP for a year in hopes of getting back on the DA team their 11th grade year.

10th grade year is huge for recruitment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happen to FCV 03 team with the combined age group next year?

Did they lose most of their players or did they doing edp for a year?

I just can't see why a rising 03 10th grader would do EDP for a year in hopes of getting back on the DA team their 11th grade year.

10th grade year is huge for recruitment.

I'm sure they handed out DP offers like Halloween Candy and made all sorts of promises about the age group being split for the following year. And if US Soccer doesn't in fact split U16/17 time will indeed be running out on those kids they strung along and who stayed loyal to the club. Meanwhile they are still adding outside talent to their DA team in those age groups creating that much more of gap. But hey, DEVELOPMENT right? :/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happen to FCV 03 team with the combined age group next year?

Did they lose most of their players or did they doing edp for a year?

I just can't see why a rising 03 10th grader would do EDP for a year in hopes of getting back on the DA team their 11th grade year.

10th grade year is huge for recruitment.

I'm sure they handed out DP offers like Halloween Candy and made all sorts of promises about the age group being split for the following year. And if US Soccer doesn't in fact split U16/17 time will indeed be running out on those kids they strung along and who stayed loyal to the club. Meanwhile they are still adding outside talent to their DA team in those age groups creating that much more of gap. But hey, DEVELOPMENT right? :/

The 04 age group is next. Hold tight. Talent compression and the pyramid of development right?

These kids are all expendable. Old money gets replaced with new money and the headmasters pay their mortgages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

[Anonymous]

When will the DA schedule for the 2018-2019 season come out? It's mid-July already. It came out much earlier last year.A sign of chaos at DA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will the DA schedule for the 2018-2019 season come out? It's mid-July already. It came out much earlier last year.A sign of chaos at DA?

Heard it was coming out next week. Wasn't much earlier last year and the season just ended with the championships yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what they don't say about the DA futures program is that at every level as you move up the pyramid, players get weeded out as the level gets higher.

There's no guarantee that your child will make it to DA level by U13/U14, primarily because of motivation level and the interest from the player. How much a player practices on their own, if they grow up in a soccer household, and if they do a lot of individual lessons outside of team training, and innate talent or athletic ability are the determinants.

And? That is exactly as I, or anyone else with a kid playing competitive travel should expect. That isn't an FCV thing. That happens (and should happen I might add) at all clubs.

The problem is FCV IS advertising development and promoting their DA players as "home grown" when in fact most are not. And that worked fine for ECNL when it was essentially a showcase league, but DA idealistically wants their clubs to be more than collectors of talented kids, they want them to have a proven an established curriculum. When far more than half of any FCV DA team never pulled on a FCV jersey before 14 years old you can certainly claim to have strong teams but stop saying that as a club FCV develops talent.

And yes, selling "DA Futures" to a bunch of 7-8 year old kids is hilarious.

This is just incorrect. I get that you have a thing about FCV...got it. But at least get the facts right. Half the 04 DA team isn't even 14yrs old yet, so stop. Also, besides the 5 very good players that came over from the Loudoun merger, the rest were FCV. They were either play-ups coming down on age or had been on the pre-ECNL team and many had been FCV Ashburn or whatever since they were young. It's crazy to act like all those kids came from outside the club, it's just not true. And it's not the vast majority you randomly sited.

How many of those "FCV girls" were cut and are no longer there? The 04's added 3 kids from McLean at the expense of their own "developed" kids. And that is just the one to one trade off. Other kids were cut to get from 22 down to 18. How many kids on the upcoming roster will have been FCV for more than 3-4 years? 5? 8?

Add a kid here and there over the next 3 years and that number will dip below 5 home grown kids. When you start at U14 with half the roster with your own kids and then reduce that by a third within one year is not #Development.