Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

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Anonymous wrote:I asked my 10 year old what he thought of the halftime show: “Awful. Too much sexual content. I thought Shakira was going to get groped in the stands.”

Out of the mouths of babes.

You should talk to your son about respecting women and their choices. Then explain to him that there are men who respect women and don’t feel the need to grope woman just bc they can. Hopefully you can raise him to be better than what he thinks of men now.

Nah. I’m proud that he recognized inappropriate sexual content that wasn’t necessary in a super bowl halftime show. Parenting win for me and the values I’m teaching my family. YMMV.

Yep, agree with you here.

She is raising a Brock Turner so no... no family values.

Curious how you made the leap from recognizing inappropriate sexual content to raising a Brock Turner. Care to elaborate on this mental leap? Can’t wait to hear what you come up with.

Dp but I’ll make the leap since you are trying to play dumb and confused. If you cannot teach your son not to grope women or if he is associating that being groped is determined by what a woman wears that’s a problem. If your son believes men will automatically grope a woman for what she is wearing, then the male figures aren’t doing much to lead by example. Women can wear whatever they want. Performers can wear any costume they want to perform in. Men do not have the right to touch a woman no matter what she is wearing or if she is passed out (ie Brock Turner). How many people want to blame a woman for getting raped bc of what she is wearing. Nope nope nope. Teach your sons better.

So “teach your sons better” will stop women from being groped?

I personally choose to live in the real world, rather than live in this “women can wear whatever they want and not be groped” La La Land a lot of people seem to live in. I, of course, am raising my son to be respectful of women. My assumption is most of us are. I am also teaching my son to be honest, not bully people, not steal, and be a general good person. In La La Land, I would expect perfect behavior from him 100% of the time, because after all, I taught him how to behave properly!

Now, in reality, he’s probably going to screw up and do some of the things I have taught him not to do. I’m hoping it’s none of the big ones - steal or hurt someone physically or whatever - but it will happen. Which is why at 10, even he is aware that men will grope women, even if it is wrong. It’s just the way it is.

For these reasons, I teach my 13 yo daughter to protect herself. She can choose to dress provocatively if she wishes, but that choice may come with consequences. Because some men are pigs -
That’s just the way the world is. It may suck, and it may not be right, but it is reality. This is also why we lock the doors when we leave the house instead of saying “teach people not to steal! Problem solved!” In La La Land, this is in easy fix. In the real world, you take steps to protect yourself from people who don’t chose to do the right thing.

In summary, I am teaching my kids to do the right things. But realizing that sometimes people don’t, they should also take steps to protect themselves. My 10 year old gets this, and yes, I am proud.

I’m sure this is exactly what Brock Turner’s mother said as well. I’m sure they are proud of their son too.

So you have nothing of substance to say? Just insults?

Next time your son makes a stupid comment that a woman should not do X because Y will happen. Say no men should not do Y, and X does not cause it.

Please... for all the is good and holy in this world please stop being part of the problem.

I have taught my son not to grope women. He knows it’s not appropriate. But he also knows it happens. I don’t know what’s so difficult about this concept.

WTH happens in your family that your 10 year old son had to be taught NOT to grope women and that men groping women is a commonplace activity that is just part of the way the world is?

And that he should fear for the safety of a women dressed in a tank top and skirt?

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Anonymous wrote:Pole dancing? Why??

my 17yr old asked if she was a stripper

Maybe they should stay out of strip clubs and learn about Mallakhamba.

Don't care what you call it, I don't care to see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Pole dancing? Why??

my 17yr old asked if she was a stripper

Maybe they should stay out of strip clubs and learn about Mallakhamba.

Don't care what you call it, I don't care to see it.

It's not just something done in strip clubs... jeez, the ignorance on this thread is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:I asked my 10 year old what he thought of the halftime show: “Awful. Too much sexual content. I thought Shakira was going to get groped in the stands.”

Out of the mouths of babes.

You should talk to your son about respecting women and their choices. Then explain to him that there are men who respect women and don’t feel the need to grope woman just bc they can. Hopefully you can raise him to be better than what he thinks of men now.

Nah. I’m proud that he recognized inappropriate sexual content that wasn’t necessary in a super bowl halftime show. Parenting win for me and the values I’m teaching my family. YMMV.

Yep, agree with you here.

She is raising a Brock Turner so no... no family values.

Curious how you made the leap from recognizing inappropriate sexual content to raising a Brock Turner. Care to elaborate on this mental leap? Can’t wait to hear what you come up with.

Dp but I’ll make the leap since you are trying to play dumb and confused. If you cannot teach your son not to grope women or if he is associating that being groped is determined by what a woman wears that’s a problem. If your son believes men will automatically grope a woman for what she is wearing, then the male figures aren’t doing much to lead by example. Women can wear whatever they want. Performers can wear any costume they want to perform in. Men do not have the right to touch a woman no matter what she is wearing or if she is passed out (ie Brock Turner). How many people want to blame a woman for getting raped bc of what she is wearing. Nope nope nope. Teach your sons better.

So “teach your sons better” will stop women from being groped?

I personally choose to live in the real world, rather than live in this “women can wear whatever they want and not be groped” La La Land a lot of people seem to live in. I, of course, am raising my son to be respectful of women. My assumption is most of us are. I am also teaching my son to be honest, not bully people, not steal, and be a general good person. In La La Land, I would expect perfect behavior from him 100% of the time, because after all, I taught him how to behave properly!

Now, in reality, he’s probably going to screw up and do some of the things I have taught him not to do. I’m hoping it’s none of the big ones - steal or hurt someone physically or whatever - but it will happen. Which is why at 10, even he is aware that men will grope women, even if it is wrong. It’s just the way it is.

For these reasons, I teach my 13 yo daughter to protect herself. She can choose to dress provocatively if she wishes, but that choice may come with consequences. Because some men are pigs -
That’s just the way the world is. It may suck, and it may not be right, but it is reality. This is also why we lock the doors when we leave the house instead of saying “teach people not to steal! Problem solved!” In La La Land, this is in easy fix. In the real world, you take steps to protect yourself from people who don’t chose to do the right thing.

In summary, I am teaching my kids to do the right things. But realizing that sometimes people don’t, they should also take steps to protect themselves. My 10 year old gets this, and yes, I am proud.

I’m sure this is exactly what Brock Turner’s mother said as well. I’m sure they are proud of their son too.

So you have nothing of substance to say? Just insults?

Next time your son makes a stupid comment that a woman should not do X because Y will happen. Say no men should not do Y, and X does not cause it.

Please... for all the is good and holy in this world please stop being part of the problem.

I have taught my son not to grope women. He knows it’s not appropriate. But he also knows it happens. I don’t know what’s so difficult about this concept.

WTH happens in your family that your 10 year old son had to be taught NOT to grope women and that men groping women is a commonplace activity that is just part of the way the world is?

And that he should fear for the safety of a women dressed in a tank top and skirt?

I have most definitely taught my son to not touch a woman without her consent. Is this some sort of red flag for a dysfunctional family? I thought we were SUPPOSED to teach our sons not to touch women?

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Anonymous wrote:Pole dancing? Why??

my 17yr old asked if she was a stripper

Maybe they should stay out of strip clubs and learn about Mallakhamba.

Don't care what you call it, I don't care to see it.

Then don't look. Just get blinders, ear plugs andother senses dulling paraphernalia and enjoy your bubble.

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Everyone needs to learn about consent. No one should touch anyone in a sexual manner without clear consent.

For those clutching pearls about all the "crotch shots" of Jlo, the onus is on the camera operator. Duh.

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Wait until next year when Lizzo does the same dances. They same people complaining now will call it empowering.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

Wait, wait...
Just 3 years ago when Lady Gaga was the headliner for the 2017 Super Bowl Halftime she got criticized for having a pudgy belly.
And EVERYONE was quick to defend her right and every woman's right to be as scantily clad as they want to be without being body-shamed.
Did that "woke" trend fade already?

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Lol have any of you seen the 2004 halftime show?? It would make this look like Sesame Street in comparison.

I usually LOATHE halftime shows. But that one wasn’t that bad, for once. High energy, good crowd, and Jlo and Shakira look exceptional for their age. I looked up their ages and I was completely shocked!

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Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.

You mean like the lead singer of Maroon 5 did in last year's show? Here's the video, and he removes his shirt around 12:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwkhEqVq4s

That’s nasty too!! Why must the NFL claim to be for families. I posted this already but they donate to schools, they put programs to be role models for kids.

Not everyone is a pearl clutcher. Please. I’m Hispanic and again they look good but like pp said they made choices to sell sex as their performance. They are hot, look great and are talented. They really don’t need to pole dance, grabs their grotch to prove it. What was the tongue thing, imitating oral sex?

What?! No. It was a nod to her Lebanese roots. JC lady.

Seriously. She was ululating. PP’s mind is in the gutter.

People Shakira was born in colombia and raised Colombian. She later on got into her 23 and me, ancestry touting her Lesbanese roots but please she was not raised that way. She was a rock artist that had black hair and wore pale makeup. I followed her then on televisa (a mtv like channel), until she sold out. Also most Lesbanese women don’t dance like that. It’s routinely low class that perform for the rich.

Second JLO is a huge hypocrite. She sends her daughter to sacred heart catholic school in Miami!! Then she empowers the other girls of the low denominator to to aspire to dance like a slut. Yes they look good, but it’s not empowering. Shakira is classier than JLO. And JLO is the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

I got $5 says if they came out like this you'd say, "It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to cover their bodies?"

I disagree, they would say that performer was empowering women to have the freedom to choose how they want to dress.

While then talking negatively about the clothing choices of Shakira and J Lo as "scantily dressed women".

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Again, it’s like sell sex and low class values, make money doing it. Then teach your kids it’s incorrect, and send them to private schools where they teach the opposite of what you portray. Do people not see this?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

Oh stop. Of course they can wear what they want and take the critique that comes with it. Much of what they do well was completely overshadowed by the choices they made in order to entertain millions of men with their bodies. They knew that they awere doing. The goal si get and keep viewers and get talked about. They accomplished that.

If a male performer got up there in a speedo, rubbed his crotch, gyrated, did lots of chippendale moves, and generally over sexualized a musical performance, I would feel the exact same way. It would also be a choice I would criticize and it would also accomplish the goal of getting people talking. Since women aren't as physically oriented, it might not keep women watching.

You mean like the lead singer of Maroon 5 did in last year's show? Here's the video, and he removes his shirt around 12:25:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwkhEqVq4s

That’s nasty too!! Why must the NFL claim to be for families. I posted this already but they donate to schools, they put programs to be role models for kids.

Not everyone is a pearl clutcher. Please. I’m Hispanic and again they look good but like pp said they made choices to sell sex as their performance. They are hot, look great and are talented. They really don’t need to pole dance, grabs their grotch to prove it. What was the tongue thing, imitating oral sex?

What?! No. It was a nod to her Lebanese roots. JC lady.

Seriously. She was ululating. PP’s mind is in the gutter.

People Shakira was born in colombia and raised Colombian. She later on got into her 23 and me, ancestry touting her Lesbanese roots but please she was not raised that way. She was a rock artist that had black hair and wore pale makeup. I followed her then on televisa (a mtv like channel), until she sold out. Also most Lesbanese women don’t dance like that. It’s routinely low class that perform for the rich.

Second JLO is a huge hypocrite. She sends her daughter to sacred heart catholic school in Miami!! Then she empowers the other girls of the low denominator to to aspire to dance like a slut. Yes they look good, but it’s not empowering. Shakira is classier than JLO. And JLO is the worst.

Lebanese dance... exactly what Shakira was doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_x_6j59Zs

HAHA on the Catholic comment... where men can do whatever hey want to anybody's body. Okay.

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The superbowl.and NFL are all about people (players / performers / cheerleaders) selling their bodies to entertain others. I'm not sure why the half time show is any different.

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Anonymous wrote:I asked my 10 year old what he thought of the halftime show: “Awful. Too much sexual content. I thought Shakira was going to get groped in the stands.”

Out of the mouths of babes.

You should talk to your son about respecting women and their choices. Then explain to him that there are men who respect women and don’t feel the need to grope woman just bc they can. Hopefully you can raise him to be better than what he thinks of men now.

Nah. I’m proud that he recognized inappropriate sexual content that wasn’t necessary in a super bowl halftime show. Parenting win for me and the values I’m teaching my family. YMMV.

Yep, agree with you here.

She is raising a Brock Turner so no... no family values.

Curious how you made the leap from recognizing inappropriate sexual content to raising a Brock Turner. Care to elaborate on this mental leap? Can’t wait to hear what you come up with.

Dp but I’ll make the leap since you are trying to play dumb and confused. If you cannot teach your son not to grope women or if he is associating that being groped is determined by what a woman wears that’s a problem. If your son believes men will automatically grope a woman for what she is wearing, then the male figures aren’t doing much to lead by example. Women can wear whatever they want. Performers can wear any costume they want to perform in. Men do not have the right to touch a woman no matter what she is wearing or if she is passed out (ie Brock Turner). How many people want to blame a woman for getting raped bc of what she is wearing. Nope nope nope. Teach your sons better.

So “teach your sons better” will stop women from being groped?

I personally choose to live in the real world, rather than live in this “women can wear whatever they want and not be groped” La La Land a lot of people seem to live in. I, of course, am raising my son to be respectful of women. My assumption is most of us are. I am also teaching my son to be honest, not bully people, not steal, and be a general good person. In La La Land, I would expect perfect behavior from him 100% of the time, because after all, I taught him how to behave properly!

Now, in reality, he’s probably going to screw up and do some of the things I have taught him not to do. I’m hoping it’s none of the big ones - steal or hurt someone physically or whatever - but it will happen. Which is why at 10, even he is aware that men will grope women, even if it is wrong. It’s just the way it is.

For these reasons, I teach my 13 yo daughter to protect herself. She can choose to dress provocatively if she wishes, but that choice may come with consequences. Because some men are pigs -
That’s just the way the world is. It may suck, and it may not be right, but it is reality. This is also why we lock the doors when we leave the house instead of saying “teach people not to steal! Problem solved!” In La La Land, this is in easy fix. In the real world, you take steps to protect yourself from people who don’t chose to do the right thing.

In summary, I am teaching my kids to do the right things. But realizing that sometimes people don’t, they should also take steps to protect themselves. My 10 year old gets this, and yes, I am proud.

It doesn't have to be. Just b/c you accept this doesn't mean other people do.

Where were all of you last year (I think)? Adam Levine parading around with no shirt . . . . were you clutching your pearls then?

As for the "pole dancing" . . . do you think the same of Cirque du Soleil? They use poles and scantily dressed women too?