Is U Chicago worth cost over in-state UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

from research.schev.edu//enrollment/BIO_FreshmanProfile.asp

for UVA top 75% SAT of 1480 [UChicago 1600]
for UVA SAT median of 1400 [UChicago 1525]
for UVA low 25% SAT of 1320 [UChicago 1450]
for UVA ACT median of 32 [UChicago 34]
for UVA top 75% of 33 [UChicago 35]
for UVA low 25% of 29 [UChicago 32]

this comparison indicates that UVA student class is significantly broader in range of academic performance/attainment - UVA attracts some high performing academic students - UChicago has a significantly "tighter" distribution of test results.

This isn't meant to spark any controversy about the two schools - they are very different institutions and student experiences - but data can be helpful if taken with context.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Admitted and enrolled are two different set of stats. Here are some of the UVA admissions stats for ADMITTED students (you are using Chicagos ADMITTED students: 94% in top ten percent of their class, etc. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-releases-admissions-decisions-and-uva22-begins-trending-grounds. SCHEV provides the actual enrolled student data which is lower because a number of Virginia kids heading for Ivies use UVA (or used to before it became so difficult to get into) peel off.

Enrolled stats last fall 2017 UVA:

75th percentile GPA: 4:44
median GPA: 4.29
Bottom 25th: 4.13

ACT: 33/32/29 combined (note the 35 for top 75th percentile in math)

http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The stats for the admitted class of 2022 are higher but, of course, the enrolled SCHEV stats are not available yet.

Really good point. Lots of colleges inflate their stats by putting on their websites the stats of admitted rather than enrolled students. In Chicago's case, being an Ivy back-up many top students apply there and go elsewhere, so the stats of enrolling students will be lower. Same with UVA. But when comparing stats between schools you really should use the stats for students actually enrolled; they're all that count.

There's no question that on average Chicago students have higher test schools. But there are many, many UVA students with equally high scores, and few UVA students without very impressive scores at least. UVA is a very selective school.

Thanks! It's so rare that anyone says anything positive on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Profile of Fall Admission UChicago & UVA

Overall admission rate UChicago 8% of 31,484 UVA 30% of 30,840
of admitted, %Students enrolled 65% 41%
SAT Math 765 avg 679 avg
mid 50% 730-800 630-740
SAT Reading 760 avg 665 avg
mid 50% 720-800 620-720
ACT composite avg 34 30
mid 50% 32-35 29-33

source: college data .com

Use the SCHEV data for fall entering class 2017 at UVA. It's much more accurate

from research.schev.edu//enrollment/BIO_FreshmanProfile.asp

for UVA top 75% SAT of 1480 [UChicago 1600]
for UVA SAT median of 1400 [UChicago 1525]
for UVA low 25% SAT of 1320 [UChicago 1450]
for UVA ACT median of 32 [UChicago 34]
for UVA top 75% of 33 [UChicago 35]
for UVA low 25% of 29 [UChicago 32]

this comparison indicates that UVA student class is significantly broader in range of academic performance/attainment - UVA attracts some high performing academic students - UChicago has a significantly "tighter" distribution of test results.

This isn't meant to spark any controversy about the two schools - they are very different institutions and student experiences - but data can be helpful if taken with context.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Admitted and enrolled are two different set of stats. Here are some of the UVA admissions stats for ADMITTED students (you are using Chicagos ADMITTED students: 94% in top ten percent of their class, etc. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-releases-admissions-decisions-and-uva22-begins-trending-grounds. SCHEV provides the actual enrolled student data which is lower because a number of Virginia kids heading for Ivies use UVA (or used to before it became so difficult to get into) peel off.

Enrolled stats last fall 2017 UVA:

75th percentile GPA: 4:44
median GPA: 4.29
Bottom 25th: 4.13

ACT: 33/32/29 combined (note the 35 for top 75th percentile in math)

http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. The stats for the admitted class of 2022 are higher but, of course, the enrolled SCHEV stats are not available yet.

Really good point. Lots of colleges inflate their stats by putting on their websites the stats of admitted rather than enrolled students. In Chicago's case, being an Ivy back-up many top students apply there and go elsewhere, so the stats of enrolling students will be lower. Same with UVA. But when comparing stats between schools you really should use the stats for students actually enrolled; they're all that count.

There's no question that on average Chicago students have higher test schools. But there are many, many UVA students with equally high scores, and few UVA students without very impressive scores at least. UVA is a very selective school.

Thanks! It's so rare that anyone says anything positive on this forum.

Some data:
UChicago's acceptance rate was 7,1% and the yield is reportedly 79% this cycle (from two contacts in admission office) - 20% of students come from Illinois - undergrad enrollment is 6,300. The 25th and 75th percentile SAT were 1490 and 1590.

UVA acceptance rate was 27% and yield was 38% - 69% of the students come from Virginia - undergrad enrollment is 15,891. The 25th and 75th percentile SAT were 1320 and 1500.

[Anonymous]

It's futile to compare these two schools. They serve different kids and different needs. UVA is a state school with a different mission and priorities than Chicago. For some UVA will be the right choice. For others Chicago will

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's futile to compare these two schools. They serve different kids and different needs. UVA is a state school with a different mission and priorities than Chicago. For some UVA will be the right choice. For others Chicago will

True, and for the same reason, the PP's remarks immediately above about selectivity don't apply also to state schools. They are very different beasts serving different communities so one cannot say "Wow, X is only 6% and UVA is 27% so UVA is less selective". UVA has a much different pre-screening system through the VA publiic high schools that self-selects the kids so that 94% of those admitted are in the top ten percent of their high school class and have over a 4.0. Many students are discouraged at the high school level from even applying by the VA public high school counselors, so you are comparing apples and oranges.

[Anonymous]

My daughter noticed many UChicago admits deflected (melted) to Stanford and Harvard, of course. But far more to Duke, Columbia and UVa/Cal.

UC is a great school, but it's going to be another decade until it wins those cross-admit battles. Anyone claiming they win those battles now is just being a biased homer.

[Anonymous]

your fact free assertion identifies you as an uncritical thinker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter noticed many UChicago admits deflected (melted) to Stanford and Harvard, of course. But far more to Duke, Columbia and UVa/Cal.

UC is a great school, but it's going to be another decade until it wins those cross-admit battles. Anyone claiming they win those battles now is just being a biased homer.

And my daughter noticed that Prince Harry is ready to leave his new wife for her. Just like your daughter she notices all kinds of strange things according to the argument her mommy wants to make.

Duke loser!!! Rich preppy kids are choosing Chicago over Duke in droves now. Duke is on its way down

[Anonymous]

Dozens of graduating seniors in my daughter's U of Chicago 2022 groupchat and social media with profiles that now say Duke 2022 and Columbia 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dozens of graduating seniors in my daughter's U of Chicago 2022 groupchat and social media with profiles that now say Duke 2022 and Columbia 2022.

Bull Shit. With ED at all three schools, there is very little overlap in the RD pools any more. You are lying. Nobody in their right mind will apply both to Duke and Chicsgo in the RD round and only an idiot admitted to both schools would choose Duke over Chicago. Columbia maybe. You are either a lying Duke parent whose kid got fried at Chicago and is bitter about it or a student who got passed over.

[Anonymous]

My D chose Chicago over Brown and Duke. Her good friend chose it over MIT. One of their friends chose Duke over Cornell and Columbia. Different strokes. At least at TJ, UChicago, Columbia and Duke are thought of as peers and the decision to attend one over the other was based on personal fit. All are wonderful institutions and those who attend any of them are extremely fortunate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My D chose Chicago over Brown and Duke. Her good friend chose it over MIT. One of their friends chose Duke over Cornell and Columbia. Different strokes. At least at TJ, UChicago, Columbia and Duke are thought of as peers and the decision to attend one over the other was based on personal fit. All are wonderful institutions and those who attend any of them are extremely fortunate.

Of course you're right. The exact same thing happened at my private HS back in the day (15 years ago). Of course, many posters here are either trolls or ignorant, whereas those of us who actually know about undergrad programs recognize that UChicago can compete with any other undergrad institution on the planet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My D chose Chicago over Brown and Duke. Her good friend chose it over MIT. One of their friends chose Duke over Cornell and Columbia. Different strokes. At least at TJ, UChicago, Columbia and Duke are thought of as peers and the decision to attend one over the other was based on personal fit. All are wonderful institutions and those who attend any of them are extremely fortunate.

Despite the odds, there were seniors applying RD to several of those schools and other Ivies with a few getting into more than one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dozens of graduating seniors in my daughter's U of Chicago 2022 groupchat and social media with profiles that now say Duke 2022 and Columbia 2022.

Bull Shit. With ED at all three schools, there is very little overlap in the RD pools any more. You are lying. Nobody in their right mind will apply both to Duke and Chicsgo in the RD round and only an idiot admitted to both schools would choose Duke over Chicago. Columbia maybe. You are either a lying Duke parent whose kid got fried at Chicago and is bitter about it or a student who got passed over.

Your post is based entirely on assumptions and faulty logic, i.e. ignoring that there are 900-1,000 RDs, of which hundreds flip to other colleges. My post is based on reality from seeing dozens of those RD admits who flipped to Duke and Columbia. I'm not a Duke or Columbia homer, those are just the schools my daughter noticed popping up the most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dozens of graduating seniors in my daughter's U of Chicago 2022 groupchat and social media with profiles that now say Duke 2022 and Columbia 2022.

Bull Shit. With ED at all three schools, there is very little overlap in the RD pools any more. You are lying. Nobody in their right mind will apply both to Duke and Chicsgo in the RD round and only an idiot admitted to both schools would choose Duke over Chicago. Columbia maybe. You are either a lying Duke parent whose kid got fried at Chicago and is bitter about it or a student who got passed over.

Your post is based entirely on assumptions and faulty logic, i.e. ignoring that there are 900-1,000 RDs, of which hundreds flip to other colleges. My post is based on reality from seeing dozens of those RD admits who flipped to Duke and Columbia. I'm not a Duke or Columbia homer, those are just the schools my daughter noticed popping up the most.

However, Chicago had a yield of 79% this year (72% last year). Likely far better than Duke which had a 50% yield last year (though Duke hasn't yet released this year's yield %).

[Anonymous]

On Columbia and Duke 2022 facebook groups I don't see one admit who flipped to UChicago, but you see a lot going the other way. All are great schools, folks just need to stop ignoring reality when they pretend Chicago is a top ten undergrad. It's not ... at least not yet.