GT/AAP Decisions: JUST THE SCORES, PLEASE!

[Anonymous]

My kid had a 117 composite on the CogAt but we knew her true ability was higher, so we paid $350 for a WISC. Her IQ came back at 130, and she got into AAP with that score. If you suspect your child is smarter than what the CogAt scores suggest, my advice is to invest in WISC testing. Best $350 I ever spent.

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Anonymous wrote:What about if Cogat and nnat scores are very high, but GBRS so-so. Does the committee take into account that GBRS is very subjective and can vary widely depending on the teachers' preference?

Personally, I'd get a WISC in case you need it for appeal. That was our situation 2 years ago and the WISC was good, like the CogAt and DC got in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Any score about 85% stands a chance..if you have a great GBRS, appeal with WISC, etc - your DC will have a change to get into the program. Good Luck.

Anonymous wrote:Hi. New to this thread. My child just received her CogAT score of 114 (percentile rank 81%), and NNAT score of 117, (percentile rank 86%). Skimming through this topic, it sounds like she doesn't have a realistic chance to make it to the Fairfax GT program. Just checking to see if others agree with this, before we submit an application.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone give me an idea what the parents referral packet includes? From FCPS info.on web, it seems that parent can submit up to 4 work samples and there is a referral form that parents can submit. Are these part of the parent referral packet? Anything else needed?

"Anything else" might include other testing, which does not count towards the not-to-exceed-5-pages portion of the parent referral. The not-to-exceed-5-pages portion can include anything, so it could include 2 pages of work samples, 2 recommendations, and a letter from you (as an example).

Check this -- last year parents could submit up to five pages of work samples PLUS five pages of letters, awards, or commendations (can include a parent letter as one of these five). You can reduce work samples to fit two or more on one page. Our AART advised us to use our child's best written work product, no math sheets, and no more than one page of artwork. They want to see writing. If you submit four pages of work samples, the school will supply the fifth. If you supply five, that bumps out whatever work sample the school would have provided (the school includes no work sample).

Not at our school. WSI and 5 other pages, including narrative write up, was all we were allowed to submit. We submitted no work samples or certificates/awards.

What is a WSI? And what narrative write-up are you talking about?
The guidelines are county-wide, not decided by each school.

Do they have to be 5 pages of work sheets and 5 of certificate and recommendation letters or can they be any number with a total of 10. My DD has about 5 certificates, I wanted to add 1-2 recommendation letters and just 2 work samples, and school provides one. Would that work or would they throw out the extra letters or certificates? Thanks .

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone give me an idea what the parents referral packet includes? From FCPS info.on web, it seems that parent can submit up to 4 work samples and there is a referral form that parents can submit. Are these part of the parent referral packet? Anything else needed?

"Anything else" might include other testing, which does not count towards the not-to-exceed-5-pages portion of the parent referral. The not-to-exceed-5-pages portion can include anything, so it could include 2 pages of work samples, 2 recommendations, and a letter from you (as an example).

Check this -- last year parents could submit up to five pages of work samples PLUS five pages of letters, awards, or commendations (can include a parent letter as one of these five). You can reduce work samples to fit two or more on one page. Our AART advised us to use our child's best written work product, no math sheets, and no more than one page of artwork. They want to see writing. If you submit four pages of work samples, the school will supply the fifth. If you supply five, that bumps out whatever work sample the school would have provided (the school includes no work sample).

Not at our school. WSI and 5 other pages, including narrative write up, was all we were allowed to submit. We submitted no work samples or certificates/awards.

What is a WSI? And what narrative write-up are you talking about?
The guidelines are county-wide, not decided by each school.

Do they have to be 5 pages of work sheets and 5 of certificate and recommendation letters or can they be any number with a total of 10. My DD has about 5 certificates, I wanted to add 1-2 recommendation letters and just 2 work samples, and school provides one. Would that work or would they throw out the extra letters or certificates? Thanks .

They would weed out the extras. What are all those certificates for? If they're not relevent, don't include them. It is not necessary to include student of the month certificates or honor roll certificates. At many schools everyone is a student of the month at some point during the year and the committee will have report cards so they will know if a kid has good grades. Make sure what you're including is relevent to academic achievement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any score about 85% stands a chance..if you have a great GBRS, appeal with WISC, etc - your DC will have a change to get into the program. Good Luck.

Anonymous wrote:Hi. New to this thread. My child just received her CogAT score of 114 (percentile rank 81%), and NNAT score of 117, (percentile rank 86%). Skimming through this topic, it sounds like she doesn't have a realistic chance to make it to the Fairfax GT program. Just checking to see if others agree with this, before we submit an application.

Hi, My daughter scores are COGAT 123 (percentile 90%) and NNAT 119. What is GBRS and WISC ? We never got those scores? We are also not sure it there are any chances for the kids that are not in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Our son got composite age score of 140; 99 percentile in non-verbal and quantitative 89 percentile in verbal. He's in the second grade AAP pool. I don't know what the cut-off is. Does anybody know that. I heard the county publishes the cut-off. But couldn't find it on the web.

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By the way for the post above - We're in Fairfax county. I don't know what GBRS and WISC are. Perhaps they're not considered in Fairfax county.

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Our son got composite age score of 140; 99 percentile in non-verbal and quantitative 89 percentile in verbal. He's in the second grade AAP pool. I don't know what the cut-off is. Does anybody know that. I heard the county publishes the cut-off. But couldn't find it on the web.

You cannot be serious.

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By the way for the post above - We're in Fairfax county. I don't know what GBRS and WISC are. Perhaps they're not considered in Fairfax county.

PLEASE take 5 minutes to read through the thread and educate yourself about the process instead of asking someone to explain it all from the beginning for the umpteenth time. It's really annoying - the info is all here if you would just bother to read any of it. And yes, we are all talking about FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Any score about 85% stands a chance..if you have a great GBRS, appeal with WISC, etc - your DC will have a change to get into the program. Good Luck.

Anonymous wrote:Hi. New to this thread. My child just received her CogAT score of 114 (percentile rank 81%), and NNAT score of 117, (percentile rank 86%). Skimming through this topic, it sounds like she doesn't have a realistic chance to make it to the Fairfax GT program. Just checking to see if others agree with this, before we submit an application.

Hi, My daughter scores are COGAT 123 (percentile 90%) and NNAT 119. What is GBRS and WISC ? We never got those scores? We are also not sure it there are any chances for the kids that are not in the pool.

GBRS is done by the teacher for children in the 2nd grade pool. No one knows this score for their children. Only after the files are submitted in february would the aart share this number with parents. the wisc is an iq test that people do on their own.

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Hi, My daughter scores are COGAT 123 (percentile 90%) and NNAT 119. What is GBRS and WISC ? We never got those scores? We are also not sure it there are any chances for the kids that are not in the pool.

GBRS is done by the teacher for children in the 2nd grade pool. No one knows this score for their children. Only after the files are submitted in february would the aart share this number with parents. the wisc is an iq test that people do on their own.

Thanks for the reply. If GBRS is done only for pool students., then for students not in pool. parents have to get id done from teacher by themselves, before sending the Referal form?

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No. After you parent refer, the school does the GBRS.

[Anonymous]

133, 124, 117, composite 128. 96% percentile, not in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Verbal 138
Quant 127
Nonverbal 125
Composite 134 / 98%

Naglieri last year 126

In pool, Navy Elementary.