Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

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Anonymous wrote:If you live innN Arlington and supported Dem candidates nationally and locally for decades, canvassed for them, then VA Dems ans DCUM trolls say FCK U because you lose Beyer and his constituent services (including passport acceptance sessions, support job fairs for federal workers, etc.) And you will be lumped in with red rural VA and likely get a R representative. It is not temporary,

What in the world is a passport acceptance session? (FWIW, when I realized one week out from a trip that my passport had insufficient time left before expiration, I went online, made an appointment at the official government location downtown for two days later, and I had my passport the same day as my appointment.) And does anyone actually get a competitive white collar job from a job fair?

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why the democrats keep losing the sane vote. For all the people who hate trump so much why were you quite when Biden was president? He wasn’t even making decisions and you didn’t hear republicans having tantrums in the streets. I may not like trump and his policies but at least I know he’s making the decisions and not some cabinet that I didn’t vote for like during Biden. So for this vote, no, I don’t like trump either but I am voting no. It’s wrong, most democrats agree to that. This is not a national election, it’s a state election so it shouldn’t matter what Texas or California are doing. For state elections the purpose is to do what’s best for the STATE. This is gone too far. If it keeps going like this, we will have all lost ourselves.

Again…for all the people in the cheap seats…the democrats ran the tables in the state of VA. Dominated at every level.

Sorry, but no “sane” person voted Republican.

Literally, the VA Republican Party was slapped in the face with a pile of bricks. Again, this thread is about the state of VA.

Oh btw, a democrat just won the FL legislature seat in Trump’s back yard of Palm Beach, where a Republican last won by 19 points.

On a national basis, democrats have now won 99% of all special elections.

You morons need to stop using the term “this is why democrats are losing….”

How about a little perspective? Yes the Democrats swept in the last election. That was a giant F-You to Trump, no doubt. Spanberger running as a "pragmatic centrist" and Earle-Sears being a terrible candidate certainly helped, but admittedly, we also elected a maniac AG because his opponent was aligned with Trump.

But this is about our congressional districts and only a year prior, just under 48% of Virginians voted for Republicans. As a result our seats are 6 D, 5 R. Sorry, but 2025's results are not a mandate to completely blow up that up and make it 10 D, 1 R. It's just not.

More importantly, if you're so confident in this major shift of everyone voting Democrat? Then there's no need to even worry about congressional redistricting in VA. By your own logic, the Dems already got this.

I am not opining on this particular Amendment vote...but rather, all the morons who preface a post with "this is why the Democrats keep losing/lost...."

The reality, is the Democrats didn't lose in the most recent elections. They completely dominated...historically dominated. So, at the very least, all you dipshits...stop prefacing your post with a reference to the Democrats losing.

Also, by my own logic...if I wanted to further cement my status, then of course I would push for redistricting. Same reason the TX republicans pushed for redistricting. Same reason why the UK or France or Italy call snap elections...because they take advantage of the moment.

Wow. Further cementing your status? Take advantage of the moment? If nothing else, I appreciate your honesty. At least you admit that this amendment has nothing do do with "saving our democracy", "fair elections" or "doing the right thing" and that it's all about grabbing more power. I just wish those pushing it in ads would do the same.

You would write this because you are dipshit. It's counteracting the exact same thing done in Texas and North Carolina and other Red States. They don't care about fair elections or doing the right thing...they are taking advantage of the moment and further cementing their status.

What's worse...they didn't even have the decency to put it to a vote.

Shocker! You're caught saying the quiet part out loud and your reaction is name calling? I'm not surprised. How about you just own it? And also, grow the f up.

Quiet part out loud? Countless posters on this very thread have pointed out that Republicans will continue to play dirty while insisting Democrats play fair and that redistricting is a necessary counterbalance to extreme Republican partisanship. Nobody denies this.

Why are Republicans given a pass to engage in electoral shenanigans? Congressional Democrats have proposed banning partisan gerrymandering, but Republicans have refused to back such a measure. I wonder why!

Mostly because this isn't TUM, Texas Urban Moms. We aren't here to discuss states other than Virginia.

Virginia is reacting to what Texas started. I don’t know why you people can’t acknowledge that simple fact. It’s like blaming the victim when he grows a pair and punches his bully back. Yeah, punching is bad, but FAFO. Stand your ground. All that stuff.

Only this didn't start with Texas. Sure Texas' move is egregious as they did it mid-decade, but blatant partisan gerrymandering by both sides has been happening for decades. Look at CA (even before Prop 50), NY, IL, and our friends to the North in MD as examples. All ridiculously gerrymandered to favor Dems, to the point where the courts overturned MD's redistricting a few years ago. Now, in CA, prop 50 will offset Texas' 5 seats. So all of this tit for tat stuff and righteous indignation is nonsense. Stopping rigged elections by rigging more elections will not work in the long run. And in the meantime, should this amendment pass (and not be overturned in the courts), our fellow Virginians are the ones who will be disenfranchised.

Totally agree that blatant partisan gerrymandering by both sides. One side wants to put an end to it and the other does not.

Mid-decade remapping is a whole level worse. And it DID start with Texas. It started with Texas last year. It started with Texas in the early 2000s.

Huh? As PP said, Texas was egregious, but gerrymandering that lasts 5 years is NOT a w whole level worse than gerrymandering that lasts a full decade. That makes no sense

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Only one?

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Only one?

Woosh...there goes those goal posts....

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Only one?

Woosh...there goes those goal posts....

More concerned about patterns of behavior because that will tell you what will happen.

Aberrations do not count.

See patriot act, taxes etc etc.

List more examples to counteract the historical pattern of behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:The claim that this is temporary makes no sense at all.
Democrats claim they are doing this to "restore fairness."
So, you are temporarily going to change the districts, then go back to the way they were when they weren't fair?

You think we need a longer-term plan to deal with Republican shenanigans?

I think you need to be honest.

Either it is not at all temporary or it is not at all about restoring fairness.

It is temporary. Additional legislation would be required for the next scheduled redistricting in 5 years.

It is about restoring fairness nationwide, not within VA.

Fck the VA Republicans. They wanted to force vaginal ultrasounds on women. They supported Trump.

Tell about temporary initiatives that were allowed to expire. I’ll wait.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Only one?

Woosh...there goes those goal posts....

More concerned about patterns of behavior because that will tell you what will happen.

Aberrations do not count.

See patriot act, taxes etc etc.

List more examples to counteract the historical pattern of behavior.

It is temporary.

If Republicans continue to disenfranchise D voters in other states I have no issue continuing to disenfranchise R voters in VA.

Ds have pushed hard over the years to eliminate gerrymandering. That doesn’t work without R participation.

Guess we’re going to try something new.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this amendment is likely to fail at this point. The early voter turnout from red areas is much higher than blue areas. Eg. The early voter turnout from Republican Fauquier county is 5.4%. The turnout from Fairfax county is only 2.6%. There is a very strong gradient between the percentage share of the county that voted republican in 2024 and the early voter turnout. This data also suggests that even within counties republicans are more likely to vote on this amendment than Dems. Unless turnout improves in democratic leaning areas, this amendment is likely to fail or it will be approved by a very slim margin.

Fauquier County has 75,000 people...Fairfax County has 1.15MM.

MAGAs suck at math.

I am aware of that population difference, but this substantial variation in voter turnout rates also suggests a very large enthusiasm gap by party. If turnout is also higher among republicans within blue areas that could be enough to shift the vote margins for the state as a whole. I would not be so arrogant and assume that you are going to win something before it happens. The voting data looks very concerning for anyone that wants this measure to pass. The turnout gap has become larger since yesterday. It’s now 6% for Fauquier and 3% for Fairfax.

So much for that theory

Not that it's much of an indicator, but I have seen more "Vote NO" signs in my neighborhood than Trump signs two years ago. I haven't seen any "Vote YES" signs either.

Who needs voting data when you can count yard signs?

I always vote by counting yard signs on my way to the voting location. In the case of a tie, I flip a coin while in the voting booth.

I base my vote on who sends me the most mail.

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Polling roundup

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So it looks like this ballot initiative will pass based on the polls. The only poll that has the ballot initiative failing was from February, and the poll did not use the language of the initiative.

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Digging deeper, the George Mason/WAPO poll has some other interesting nuggets.

57% of registered voters think it's more important that Virginia’s congressional districts reflect the political makeup of the state, compared to 34% who say it's more important that Virginia’s congressional districts balance out other states that were drawn to favor one party.

Plus, 48% of registered voters think a 10D-1R map (like the one proposed) is unfair. 44% think that type of map is fair.

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I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another.

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics.