Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Harvard was being targeted not for racial discrimination in admissions against Asians, but for not protecting Jewish students, and not providing discipline records of students that would allow the administration to deport them?

Both are included in the lust of demands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Harvard was being targeted not for racial discrimination in admissions against Asians, but for not protecting Jewish students, and not providing discipline records of students that would allow the administration to deport them?

It is that last bit that really is problematic for Harvard and other top schools. They charge full tuition to many foreign students (undergraduate and graduate programs), but if it were to become known that they were turning over records of international students who participated in antisemitic activities, that full tuition pipeline would dry up rather quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/trump-harvard-tax-exempt-status-international-students-07a10958bf078cb04b59d1fc9a3a27a8

Why does Harvard even enroll international students?

Well, part of being a world-class university means benefiting from world-class resources, and that can include students as well as faculty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Harvard was being targeted not for racial discrimination in admissions against Asians, but for not protecting Jewish students, and not providing discipline records of students that would allow the administration to deport them?

It is that last bit that really is problematic for Harvard and other top schools. They charge full tuition to many foreign students (undergraduate and graduate programs), but if it were to become known that they were turning over records of international students who participated in antisemitic activities, that full tuition pipeline would dry up rather quickly.

Better than not being able to issue any I-20s indefinitely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/trump-harvard-tax-exempt-status-international-students-07a10958bf078cb04b59d1fc9a3a27a8

Why does Harvard even enroll international students?

Well, part of being a world-class university means benefiting from world-class resources, and that can include students as well as faculty.

Tsk tsk, why can't the world get along. What if the world sucks though?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Harvard was being targeted not for racial discrimination in admissions against Asians, but for not protecting Jewish students, and not providing discipline records of students that would allow the administration to deport them?

Both are included in the lust of demands.

I’m applauding your typo. Bigly!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/trump-harvard-tax-exempt-status-international-students-07a10958bf078cb04b59d1fc9a3a27a8

Why does Harvard even enroll international students?

Well, part of being a world-class university means benefiting from world-class resources, and that can include students as well as faculty.

Tsk tsk, why can't the world get along. What if the world sucks though?

The world does suck. We work with what we have — as best we can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/trump-harvard-tax-exempt-status-international-students-07a10958bf078cb04b59d1fc9a3a27a8

Why does Harvard even enroll international students?

Well, part of being a world-class university means benefiting from world-class resources, and that can include students as well as faculty.

Tsk tsk, why can't the world get along. What if the world sucks though?

The world does suck. We work with what we have — as best we can.

So by tautology, Harvard a world class research institute, therefore sucks. My proof is complete thank you, thank you, try the brie.

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Anonymous wrote:Current student at Harvard and I don't approve. Harvard has to comply with civil rights laws. I have to comply with them, you have to comply, employers have to comply, and universities have to comply too.

How is this a violation of civil rights laws?

Have you read the letter from the administration? A quick summary: Harvard must immediately begin choosing applicants based on merit and not based on race, sex, etc. Harvard must discipline the students who participated in the hate crime of assaulting Jewish students in 2023. Harvard must stop including antisemitic texts or materials in its curriculum.

All of these are civil rights issues. Let's play a game. If it had been white supremacists beating black students, would that be a civil rights issue? If the request was to stop teaching materials racist against black people, would that not be a civil rights issue? And re admissions, either you believe in merit based evaluations or you believe in giving advantages to certain races. SCOTUS has been very clear that choosing based on race is a civil rights violation.

That's a very fancy way of saying the government can require all people to be nice to Jews under penalty of whatever. If that is the government you wish for, please exercise your right of return.

That’s literally the whole point of civil rights legislation.

Black people can eat at the diner counter and Jewish students can walk across the campus without being harassed.

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😂😂😂 +1, indeed

PP wants to equate (A) centuries of slavery, lynching, systemic violence and mistreatment, violations of civil rights under color of law, vigilante racism, etc. with (B) college students who are uncomfortable hearing or seeing criticisms about a foreign country - a country whose policies and actions, mind you, have been condemned over and over again by essentially the entire planet.

I guess we have to suspend disbelief and listen to dipshits tell us that words hurt more than white phosphorus bombs dropped on churches and shelters. Oh, the feelings of it all …

So you don't believe Jews should be protected. We get it. We disagree.

Wrong. I believe in equal rights for all, including Jewish Americans.

But what are you referring to
… protected from what? From having to see or hear criticisms of Israel, a foreign nation scorned by the entire planet for its policies and actions? Yeah, you can F right the F off if that’s what you’re arguing they “should be protected” from. Nobody has a right to silence others.

Now it’s your turn - cite where Jewish American college students these past two years have faced mistreatment in the same universe of what African Americans and others (Arab Americans, Asian Americans, women, LGBTQ, etc.) have faced here in America for centuries … or just point me to where Jewish American students were attacked these past two years like the anti-war protestors were attacked by pro-Israel terrorists out on the West Coast last spring. Just one example will suffice … we’ll wait.

DP. If you believe in equal rights for all, why are you comparing the suffering of different Americans? You either believe everyone should be protected, or you don't. If you do, then you should be the first one calling for Harvard and other schools to protect their rights. But you're not. Instead, you're trying to minimize their suffering.

If protecting all civil rights was the goal than it wouldn’t be focused on antisemitism and specific schools would not be singled out as I guarantee all schools have faced issues. Further, what is needed to resolve the issue wouldn’t be targeting certain topics of study.

It's called executive (or prosecutorial) discretion. The DOJ has done so under many Democratic presidents. As for certain topics of study being targeted, please provide examples.

The administration does not have the legal right to make any of those demands they listed in the letter. You are also confusing government agencies or or didn’t actually read the demand letter. The letter to Harvard was signed by the Department of Education, HHS and GSA. The DOJ did not sign the letter.

What part of "executive discretion" did you not understand. DOJ was cited d as an example. The administration clearly thinks Harvard's actions are unlawful (and egregious) and has decided to make an example of it for other universities. Are you saying it can't do that? What happened to letting the courts decide?

The letter isn’t enforceable.

Removing tax exempt status is also unlawful. A president can’t directly or indirectly remove tax exempt status. What did Trump do? Tweet about it. That man is incapable of keeping his trap shut.

Groups have their tax exempt status removed all the time. If Harvard is not acting in the public interest, they can have their tax exempt status removed. Just as Bob Jones University had its tax exempt status removed because it didn't allow interracial dating.

Are you saying Harvard is racially discriminating?

Yes, there is documentation of lowered standards of admission for some groups to try to obtain more diversity.

[Anonymous]

Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

The president actually has power here. The executive branch has much more leeway when it comes to foreign relations and foreign nationals. Like trade center bombers for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

The president actually has power here. The executive branch has much more leeway when it comes to foreign relations and foreign nationals. Like trade center bombers for example.

He doesn’t actually because Harvard can just start a campus or program in another country. More, just because the foreign students go away does not mean more American students will be admitted. They could just as easily lower the number of students in main campus so as to allow for additional students elsewhere. Further, as this goes to court the administration is going to have to prove that Harvard Dan’s every other university didn’t take proper steps, and that the administration is not targeting for other reasons. Given this is Trump proving this is not about antisemitism is not going to be hard. His daily conversations and tweets confirm that.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

The president actually has power here. The executive branch has much more leeway when it comes to foreign relations and foreign nationals. Like trade center bombers for example.

He doesn’t actually because Harvard can just start a campus or program in another country. More, just because the foreign students go away does not mean more American students will be admitted. They could just as easily lower the number of students in main campus so as to allow for additional students elsewhere. Further, as this goes to court the administration is going to have to prove that Harvard Dan’s every other university didn’t take proper steps, and that the administration is not targeting for other reasons. Given this is Trump proving this is not about antisemitism is not going to be hard. His daily conversations and tweets confirm that.

It's a bully pulpit, he scores points for picking on Harvard, because Harvard is unpopular. They have had unpopular admission policies for a long time. They have published a huge amount of unpopular pro-immigrant(anit-Nativist) research with no alternate viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anybody actually read the demands from this administration?

They want to remove all courses, students and teachers that are deemed anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian.

Funny how they can't do anything about school shootings but will do something if it hurts Israel's feelings

How many Harvard professors are conservative, pro-Trump Republicans who are allowed to freely express their viewpoints?

Allen Dershowitz, for one.