How long till the economy collapses?

[Anonymous]

Target announced this morning that February sales were weak. That's not even counting tariffs and everything else. So all the other governmental headwinds are being added to what was already a softening situation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/04/target-tgt-q4-2024-earnings.html?&qsearchterm=target

[Anonymous]

It's sad. You know they have the right idea - national debt does need to be addressed and changes - hard painful unpopular everyone will cry changes - that has to happen. But not the way they are doing it and I'm sure they aren't actually noble in their cause, rather lining their own pockets.

It's sad because we did need the changes and sad because we lose double for missing out on the changes and for giving up so much more to T & M.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's sad. You know they have the right idea - national debt does need to be addressed and changes - hard painful unpopular everyone will cry changes - that has to happen. But not the way they are doing it and I'm sure they aren't actually noble in their cause, rather lining their own pockets.

It's sad because we did need the changes and sad because we lose double for missing out on the changes and for giving up so much more to T & M.

They have shown no indication they care about the national debt. They wouldn't be throwing tax breaks at the wealthiest if that was true.

It's just a looting operation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Target announced this morning that February sales were weak. That's not even counting tariffs and everything else. So all the other governmental headwinds are being added to what was already a softening situation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/04/target-tgt-q4-2024-earnings.html?&qsearchterm=target

I believe that. There was also a coordinated boycott of them after they dropped diversity and equity on January 24th or so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's sad. You know they have the right idea - national debt does need to be addressed and changes - hard painful unpopular everyone will cry changes - that has to happen. But not the way they are doing it and I'm sure they aren't actually noble in their cause, rather lining their own pockets.

It's sad because we did need the changes and sad because we lose double for missing out on the changes and for giving up so much more to T & M.

None of their ideas are right. The part about saving money was just a way to sell looting the government to the American people.

Musk has earned nearly a billion dollars by getting US government contract awards.

Trump has no problem spending $200M on ads with Kristi saying he's doing a great job with deportations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Target announced this morning that February sales were weak. That's not even counting tariffs and everything else. So all the other governmental headwinds are being added to what was already a softening situation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/04/target-tgt-q4-2024-earnings.html?&qsearchterm=target

The negative GDPNow is half tariff-related and half-consumer spending pullback.

The recession is real, even if the tariffs go away tomorrow.

Trump did it, he wrecked the economy. The MAGAs are spinning it that Trump has unmasked the already-existing recession. They are totally fine with everything that he is doing. It's truly amazing to behold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole and hysteria are curious. Government waste, fraud and abuse are funded and tied to many, if not most of these jobs. Perfect time for Entrepreneurs.

Why is it always "waste, fraud, and abuse" on that order? Everyone who uses that term sounds like Musk and Trump or Fox news broadcasters.

It's like they all got together to use the same phrase so others would start to parrot it as the poster above did.

Wild how they control people's brains this way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has lived through the collapse of a democracy or studied that topic is very worried. Are they crazy or just better informed than you about the signs that institutions are failing and power is being dangerously ceded to one man with authoritarian tendencies?

A lot depends on if the executive still follows the courts. The legislative branch has shown no signs of being a check. They’ve been verbally threatening not to follow court orders for a few days. Threatening judges. Project 2025 says ignore the court rulings and proceed with your policies.

Are we crazy for taking them at their word? Where do other people find the confidence to believe they wouldn’t actually do it?

Really something that reducing the size of the federal workforce and ending ridiculous spending by USAID = the end of democracy.

This hyperbole is really unhinged. Obama issued EOs that exceeded his authority and were blocked by courts. Biden did the same (ex. student loan forgiveness). This is not at all an uncommon practice and does not equal a Constitutional crisis. The courts will either uphold the EOs or block them. Our democracy won’t fall apart and the left loses credibility by claiming this.

If the exec branch controls the DOJ, who do you think will enforce the court actions??

When no one follows the court actions, they can do whatever they want. They can stop social security. They can take 80 million out of New York State's bank account. They can label people enemies and send their mentally ill followers after them. The list is endless.

They can cease Ebola outbreak prevention, which will threaten us all.

They can say measles is not big deal, killing children along the way.

They can decide not to create a flu vaccine this year, which they already seem to be doing. Lots will die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL ! This thread asks "How long till the economy collapses ?" --in an attempt to blame the new administration. Wake up folks. The USA has a national debt approaching $40 million and is still engaging in annual budget deficit spending !!!

Time to stop playing politics and get down to the business of acting (spending & budgeting) like a responsible country. The world's problems are not our responsibility to solve.

Pro Tip: If you don't like the price of eggs,then don't buy eggs.

Billionaires paying taxes would fix social security and everything else. But they don't want to pay.

Not sure why you want to defend the billionaires. Maybe you are another Russian bot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The posters on this thread don’t get the real threat. $36 TRILLION of debt. Think about that. The interest in that debt is over $1 TRILLION a year. If/when the country defaults on its debt, your liberal agendas won’t add up to diddly squat. The govt has a spending problem and as DOGE is clearly finding, a ton of money is wasted on programs that don’t benefit America. Time to cut the fat and there is a lot of it in the Federal Govt. I’ve seen plenty. Reducing strangulating and duplicative regulation will reduce the need for the huge bureaucracy.

Maybe you should check how much the national debt went up during Trump’s first term. I’ll save you the time, 7.8 trillion.

So please stop saying “national debt “. It was never about that.

Yes, and also, please understand what the national debt actually is. Hint: it is not analogous to individual or household debt. The same word is being used to mean two different things and it's staggering to me how many people-- including politicians-- confidently throw the word around when they don't know what it means. Or perhaps they're just counting on you not knowing what it means and using it for scares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has lived through the collapse of a democracy or studied that topic is very worried. Are they crazy or just better informed than you about the signs that institutions are failing and power is being dangerously ceded to one man with authoritarian tendencies?

A lot depends on if the executive still follows the courts. The legislative branch has shown no signs of being a check. They’ve been verbally threatening not to follow court orders for a few days. Threatening judges. Project 2025 says ignore the court rulings and proceed with your policies.

Are we crazy for taking them at their word? Where do other people find the confidence to believe they wouldn’t actually do it?

Really something that reducing the size of the federal workforce and ending ridiculous spending by USAID = the end of democracy.

If this is so obvious, why won’t he just propose these cuts to congress so they can pass a law cutting them? Why does he insist on doing it illegally?

Because Congress is incentivized to stay in power which means doling out funds and special pork projects for their constituents.

By staying in power, you mean doing what voters want? Wow, what a concept! Sounds like democracy!

Congress will be co-opted. Look up the word "co-opt."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's sad. You know they have the right idea - national debt does need to be addressed and changes - hard painful unpopular everyone will cry changes - that has to happen. But not the way they are doing it and I'm sure they aren't actually noble in their cause, rather lining their own pockets.

It's sad because we did need the changes and sad because we lose double for missing out on the changes and for giving up so much more to T & M.

They have shown no indication they care about the national debt. They wouldn't be throwing tax breaks at the wealthiest if that was true.

It's just a looting operation.

+1000. They throw out words like "efficiency" and "budget cuts" for the rubes. This is all about letting Musk and Trump steal as much as they can from us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've stopped vaccinating people in other countries like airplanes and boats don't exist.

We've stopped funding cancer research.

We are deporting our agricultural workers.

We are ignoring environmental catastrophe and getting rid of NOAA and FEMA.

We are alienating our allies.

All of these things have consequences. Life has been hard for all of humanity until the last 100 years and we have chosen to go back in time.

So tell me where you would cut $2 Trillion from? How do you suggest we get to a good budget situation? I don’t think you realize that we can’t continue on this trajectory.

Huh? Each of the billionaires could pay their fair share of taxes, which they do not.

Peter Thiel
Elon Musk
Others

[Anonymous]

Now. It's happening now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's sad. You know they have the right idea - national debt does need to be addressed and changes - hard painful unpopular everyone will cry changes - that has to happen. But not the way they are doing it and I'm sure they aren't actually noble in their cause, rather lining their own pockets.

It's sad because we did need the changes and sad because we lose double for missing out on the changes and for giving up so much more to T & M.

None of their ideas are right. The part about saving money was just a way to sell looting the government to the American people.

Musk has earned nearly a billion dollars by getting US government contract awards.

Trump has no problem spending $200M on ads with Kristi saying he's doing a great job with deportations.

For a full month of work Musk has “saved” 4-9 billion. On the high side that is 432 billion over 4 years on a 6.7 trillion dollar budget.