TJ Admissions Roundup

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The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

It's just happenstance that this attempt to help black people ends up helping white people even more and hurts only asian people.
This was not at all by design. I mean aside from the study that FCPS commissioned that told them these exact results, how could they possibly have known!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

Yeah, someone broke the unenforceable NDA.
That's why there are books on Amazon that tell you the format of the test and the types of questions on the test.

So there is more than one unethical person in the test prep industry.

It's available for $20 on Amazon.
It's hard to take the argument that this is a case of wealthy indians in mclean buying access to secrets that noone else has.
Amazon...$20.

[Anonymous]

Has the TJ waitlist closed?

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Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

The admissions process is facially neutral, just like literacy tests, poll taxes, voter ID laws and grandfather laws.
They were still racist as hell because the intent behind implementing them were racist.

The reason we moved away from a merit based admission process to a much more random system was to achieve the desired levels of racial diversity.
And like those racist attempts to deny black people the vote, this is an attempt to do indirectly what they could not do directly.
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase socioeconomic diversity because we are allowed to explicitly favor poor kids (which we do)
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase special ed kids because we are specifically allowed to favor special ed (which we do)
We had to abandon merit to increase racial diversity because we are not allowed to explicitly favor people on the basis of race so we eliminate merit to catch a cross section of the applicant pool.

The intent was to give access to more groups in FCPS, not just rich kids from feeders.

There were <1% of students from low-income families in the admitted class of 2024.

They increased the class size to accommodate students from all over the county.

I’m all for a merit lottery. TJ is a resource for everyone, not just the rich families from feeder schools.

Every kid already had access to TJ. They just had to earn it.

Every kid is FCPS is allowed to tale Algebra 1 in 8th grade.
Almost every kid is capable of getting a 3.5 GPA
We know how to filter for poverty without abandoning merit. We only abandoned merit because we couldn't achieve diversity without abandoning objective merit.
TJ is no more a resource for everyone than handicapped parking spots are a resource for everyone.
It is special ed and it is tailored for a particular type of student that needs this type of education and not a vehicle for white people to virtue signal their allyship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has the TJ waitlist closed?

I believe so.

You can apply again at the end of your freshman year.
It will be merit based and you will want to take the PSAT, the SAT or both during your freshman year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

The admissions process is facially neutral, just like literacy tests, poll taxes, voter ID laws and grandfather laws.
They were still racist as hell because the intent behind implementing them were racist.

The reason we moved away from a merit based admission process to a much more random system was to achieve the desired levels of racial diversity.
And like those racist attempts to deny black people the vote, this is an attempt to do indirectly what they could not do directly.
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase socioeconomic diversity because we are allowed to explicitly favor poor kids (which we do)
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase special ed kids because we are specifically allowed to favor special ed (which we do)
We had to abandon merit to increase racial diversity because we are not allowed to explicitly favor people on the basis of race so we eliminate merit to catch a cross section of the applicant pool.

The intent was to give access to more groups in FCPS, not just rich kids from feeders.

There were <1% of students from low-income families in the admitted class of 2024.

They increased the class size to accommodate students from all over the county.

I’m all for a merit lottery. TJ is a resource for everyone, not just the rich families from feeder schools.

Every kid already had access to TJ. They just had to earn it.

Every kid is FCPS is allowed to tale Algebra 1 in 8th grade.
Almost every kid is capable of getting a 3.5 GPA
We know how to filter for poverty without abandoning merit. We only abandoned merit because we couldn't achieve diversity without abandoning objective merit.
TJ is no more a resource for everyone than handicapped parking spots are a resource for everyone.
It is special ed and it is tailored for a particular type of student that needs this type of education and not a vehicle for white people to virtue signal their allyship.

And those who could afford the test, had even better access!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

The admissions process is facially neutral, just like literacy tests, poll taxes, voter ID laws and grandfather laws.
They were still racist as hell because the intent behind implementing them were racist.

The reason we moved away from a merit based admission process to a much more random system was to achieve the desired levels of racial diversity.
And like those racist attempts to deny black people the vote, this is an attempt to do indirectly what they could not do directly.
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase socioeconomic diversity because we are allowed to explicitly favor poor kids (which we do)
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase special ed kids because we are specifically allowed to favor special ed (which we do)
We had to abandon merit to increase racial diversity because we are not allowed to explicitly favor people on the basis of race so we eliminate merit to catch a cross section of the applicant pool.

The intent was to give access to more groups in FCPS, not just rich kids from feeders.

There were <1% of students from low-income families in the admitted class of 2024.

They increased the class size to accommodate students from all over the county.

I’m all for a merit lottery. TJ is a resource for everyone, not just the rich families from feeder schools.

Every kid already had access to TJ. They just had to earn it.

Every kid is FCPS is allowed to tale Algebra 1 in 8th grade.
Almost every kid is capable of getting a 3.5 GPA
We know how to filter for poverty without abandoning merit. We only abandoned merit because we couldn't achieve diversity without abandoning objective merit.
TJ is no more a resource for everyone than handicapped parking spots are a resource for everyone.
It is special ed and it is tailored for a particular type of student that needs this type of education and not a vehicle for white people to virtue signal their allyship.

And those who could afford the test, had even better access!

You're an idiot if you think people literally bought the test.
If you could literally buy the test, TJ would be much whiter.
Anytime you test for academic merit, you are also testing for time spent studying, some people just study more than others. It comes down to how much they value education.
You could buy prep for the test.
You could buy prep on amazon for $20.
https://www.amazon.com/Quant-Test-Prep-Book-Practice/dp/109286427X

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

It's just happenstance that this attempt to help black people ends up helping white people even more and hurts only asian people.
This was not at all by design. I mean aside from the study that FCPS commissioned that told them these exact results, how could they possibly have known!

The students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

It's just happenstance that this attempt to help black people ends up helping white people even more and hurts only asian people.
This was not at all by design. I mean aside from the study that FCPS commissioned that told them these exact results, how could they possibly have known!

The students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase.

The students who "benefited" most were kids that would never have gotten in under a merit based selection criteria.
We didn't eliminate merit to increase economic diversity.
We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit.
The problem is that selecting for poverty would select for poor asian kids at the expense of middle class white kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

Yeah, someone broke the unenforceable NDA.
That's why there are books on Amazon that tell you the format of the test and the types of questions on the test.

Which isn't comparable to what former Curie students said was happening there, but you already knew that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

Yeah, someone broke the unenforceable NDA.
That's why there are books on Amazon that tell you the format of the test and the types of questions on the test.

Which isn't comparable to what former Curie students said was happening there, but you already knew that.

And what do you think happened there? Because racists have been claiming that indians stole the test, had the answer beforehand and that is why there are so many indians at tj.
Are you one of those racists?

If you want to get into TJ... get gud son.

[Anonymous]

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

It's just happenstance that this attempt to help black people ends up helping white people even more and hurts only asian people.
This was not at all by design. I mean aside from the study that FCPS commissioned that told them these exact results, how could they possibly have known!

The students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase.

The students who "benefited" most were kids that would never have gotten in under a merit based selection criteria.
We didn't eliminate merit to increase economic diversity.
We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit.
The problem is that selecting for poverty would select for poor asian kids at the expense of middle class white kids

They do give kids from low-income families a boost in the process.

And there are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just give an explicit preference for poor kids.
Give the test add bonus points to the test for kids on free/reduced lunch until; you get the desired number of FARM kids.
The problem is that the disparity between asian kids and other races is even greater at the lower end of the SES than it is at the higher end.
You end up displacing mostly middle class white kids for mostly asian kids.
Noone sees the point of helping out poor asian kids unless it is solely at the expense of more affluent asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

It's just happenstance that this attempt to help black people ends up helping white people even more and hurts only asian people.
This was not at all by design. I mean aside from the study that FCPS commissioned that told them these exact results, how could they possibly have known!

The students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase.

The students who "benefited" most were kids that would never have gotten in under a merit based selection criteria.
We didn't eliminate merit to increase economic diversity.
We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit.
The problem is that selecting for poverty would select for poor asian kids at the expense of middle class white kids

They do give kids from low-income families a boost in the process.

And there are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

There weren't that many asian kids in fairfax in almost any of the years of TJ's history.
If you pull that graph back to 2010, the majority of the students were white because there were only a tiny number of asian kids in fairfax.
Then slowly but surely the mediocre white kids got crowded out by asian kids.
Racist white people will say they don't want their kids to go to tj but it's just sour grapes because their kids could never get in to begin with.
The parents of smart white kids seem to be OK with meritocracy in academics (and they are also usually less racist too).
The racist white people seem to want meritocracy to be limited to sports (and trust me we dragged them there kicking and screaming).