TJ Admissions Roundup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is why SAT/ACT/LSAT/MCAT/GRE/GMAT are ALL preppable. Claiming one's test 'unpreppable' and accusing those who prep for it as unethical is absurd.

If they want to give low income student an chance to compete, use a preppable test and pay for their prep class.

Yes. Quant Q was a mistake for a variety of reasons. Too many unethical people out there. Instead of leveling the playing field, as intended, it made it worse.

[Anonymous]

Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

[Anonymous]

If standardized tests are bad, why FCPS encourages sophomore applicants to submit PSAT scores?

Also, how about teachers' recommendations? I know some sociopath here claims that the recommendations are biased, FCPS' teachers are all racist. But, I don't think that's the view of FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is why SAT/ACT/LSAT/MCAT/GRE/GMAT are ALL preppable. Claiming one's test 'unpreppable' and accusing those who prep for it as unethical is absurd.

If they want to give low income student an chance to compete, use a preppable test and pay for their prep class.

Yes. Quant Q was a mistake for a variety of reasons. Too many unethical people out there. Instead of leveling the playing field, as intended, it made it worse.

It objectively helped for one year and the thought process behind it was solid. The Class of 2022 was significantly more diverse, both racially and socioeconomically, than surrounding years.

But there were too many bad actors at play who rebuilt the old difficulties.

The Quant-Q is an excellent exam that SHOULD be perfect for evaluating the native problem solving skills of students aspiring to TJ. But it becomes not only useless, but counterproductive when students prepare specifically for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

At a minimum, it's unethical for test prep centers to ask the kids to share the questions and then to distribute to others.

It was enough of a problem that they had to revamp the admissions process. Again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is why SAT/ACT/LSAT/MCAT/GRE/GMAT are ALL preppable. Claiming one's test 'unpreppable' and accusing those who prep for it as unethical is absurd.

If they want to give low income student an chance to compete, use a preppable test and pay for their prep class.

Yes. Quant Q was a mistake for a variety of reasons. Too many unethical people out there. Instead of leveling the playing field, as intended, it made it worse.

It objectively helped for one year and the thought process behind it was solid. The Class of 2022 was significantly more diverse, both racially and socioeconomically, than surrounding years.

But there were too many bad actors at play who rebuilt the old difficulties.

The Quant-Q is an excellent exam that SHOULD be perfect for evaluating the native problem solving skills of students aspiring to TJ. But it becomes not only useless, but counterproductive when students prepare specifically for it.

Yup. TJ has become a victim of its’ own success. The more prestigious it seems, the more families will go to great lengths to get their kids admitted.

I think a qualified lottery would eliminate even more of the unhealthy behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

Even if there are no consequences, most of us would agree that stating that you will do or not do something and then doing the opposite of what you promised is not exactly meeting even a low bar for ethical standards. Should we teach our children to make promises and then not keep them?

[Anonymous]

If test prep centers used infringed materials, why hasn't Insight Assessment sued these centers? Would that be easier and fairer than tossing away the test, teachers' recommendations, and STEM proficiency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

Even if there are no consequences, most of us would agree that stating that you will do or not do something and then doing the opposite of what you promised is not exactly meeting even a low bar for ethical standards. Should we teach our children to make promises and then not keep them?

You think anyone actually read those agreement and provided informed consent? Do you read apple/facebook/tiktok/instagram user agreements and NDAs? It's not a contract of equals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

Even if there are no consequences, most of us would agree that stating that you will do or not do something and then doing the opposite of what you promised is not exactly meeting even a low bar for ethical standards. Should we teach our children to make promises and then not keep them?

You think anyone actually read those agreement and provided informed consent? Do you read apple/facebook/tiktok/instagram user agreements and NDAs? It's not a contract of equals.

When I sign an NDA, I make certain that I do not disclose information that I have promised not to disclose. What kind of integrity would I have if I did otherwise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everything the user accesses is covered in the agreement. Including the test questions.

https://insightassessment.com/policies/
“Test Taker Interface User Agreement

In this agreement, each person who accesses this interface is called a “user,” and whatever a user accesses is called an “instrument.”

Copyright Protected: The user acknowledges that this online interface and everything in it are proprietary business property of the California Academic Press LLC and are protected by international copyrights. Except as permitted by purchased use licenses, the user agrees not to reproduce, distribute, hack, harm, limit, alter, or edit this interface or any part of any instrument or results report, table or analysis stored in, generated by, or delivered through this interface.

Non-Disclosure and Non-Compete Agreement: The user agrees not to copy, disclose, describe, imitate, replicate, or mirror this interface or this instrument(s) in whole or in part for any purpose. The user agrees not to create, design, develop, publish, market, or distribute any comparable or competitive instrument or instruments for a period of up to four years from the date of the user’s most recent access.

By clicking the “Agree” button, the user acknowledges reading, understanding, and agreeing to abide by the statements above and by all the policies and notices posted on Insight Assessment public website(s).”

Is any NDA binding on 14 year olds? Toothless contract. Even for an adult, NDA is effective only with threat of financial loss.

Even if there are no consequences, most of us would agree that stating that you will do or not do something and then doing the opposite of what you promised is not exactly meeting even a low bar for ethical standards. Should we teach our children to make promises and then not keep them?

You think anyone actually read those agreement and provided informed consent? Do you read apple/facebook/tiktok/instagram user agreements and NDAs? It's not a contract of equals.

When I sign an NDA, I make certain that I do not disclose information that I have promised not to disclose. What kind of integrity would I have if I did otherwise?

Isn't cheating fairly rampant in cultures that put a premium on high-stakes testing?

[Anonymous]

Imagine buying into the idea that a test would be “unpreppable” only to be ruined by a few 8th graders. lol

[Anonymous]

Just shut it down. The old mousetrap sucked and so does the new one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine buying into the idea that a test would be “unpreppable” only to be ruined by a few 8th graders. lol

They were pawns.