TJ Admissions Roundup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are the undisputed facts.

1) Asian population @TJ is still bigger than all other groups combined.
2) Selection is race-blind
3) The largest beneficiaries of the change were low-income Asians.

This makes it hard for anyone to buy this nonsense about discrimination.

To the extent that pursuing diversity at the expense of merit is discrimination, this is clearly discrimination.

Poll taxes and literacy tests were also race blind. They were racist as hayll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are the undisputed facts.

1) Asian population @TJ is still bigger than all other groups combined.
2) Selection is race-blind
3) The largest beneficiaries of the change were low-income Asians.

This makes it hard for anyone to buy this nonsense about discrimination.

It does make one wonder how anyone could say discrimination without laughing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

Why is it that you feel entitled to define merit for others as you see fit?

[Anonymous]

FCPS is so enthusiastic to highlight what they mean by merit recognition at national level.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

I am no expert in names and origins, but many here mentioned recipients are mostly american asians not just at TJ but across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

Yeah, someone broke the unenforceable NDA.
That's why there are books on Amazon that tell you the format of the test and the types of questions on the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.


The admissions process is facially neutral, just like literacy tests, poll taxes, voter ID laws and grandfather laws.
They were still racist as hell because the intent behind implementing them were racist.

The reason we moved away from a merit based admission process to a much more random system was to achieve the desired levels of racial diversity.
And like those racist attempts to deny black people the vote, this is an attempt to do indirectly what they could not do directly.
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase socioeconomic diversity because we are allowed to explicitly favor poor kids (which we do)
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase special ed kids because we are specifically allowed to favor special ed (which we do)
We had to abandon merit to increase racial diversity because we are not allowed to explicitly favor people on the basis of race so we eliminate merit to catch a cross section of the applicant pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

Why is it that you feel entitled to define merit for others as you see fit?

LOL, are you kidding.
Are we going to redefine merit to mean white people again?
When it comes to academics, this is what merit looks like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

Maybe the Asian applicants had significantly higher merit than average, and in a more comprehensive admissions process, would have earned 90%+ of the seats.
Asians are like 6% of the US population, but they're earning 90% of the highest middle and high school level STEM accolades.
Mathcounts top 56 - https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/2024%20Final%20Standings%20Document_0.pdf
USAMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/733275791/2024-USAMO-Awardees-docx-1
USAJMO winners - https://www.scribd.com/document/735536387/2024-USAJMO-Awardees-docx
USA Physics Olympiad winners - https://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2024/upload/2024-Medal-Listing.pdf

The same is true for chem and computing olympiads. The top kids are predominantly Asian.

Interestingly, MAA has now scrubbed the USAMO and USAJMO winner list from their site, just like they scrubbed all of the AMC 8 and 10/12 awards. They, too, don't like the optics of seeing so many Asian kids on the lists.

To be fair, the kids named Lee could be white. It's not like the General in Chief of the Armies of the Confederate States was Korean.

That is some seriously wishful thinking. I have seen some of the “Lee” kids on these lists. They’re definitely Asian.

It's supposed to be funny and lighten the mood to have everyone imagine General Robert E. Lee was really Korean under that beard.
It's funny there weren't any asian slave owners to speak of.
And yet, they're asked to sacrifice their dreams to pay for the white guilt of the descendants of the actual slave owners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is false and is illegal. If you can prove it, you can win a massive multimillion-dollar suit against the county!

A court already looked at all the evidence and in the end the US Courts determined the board’s move was legal. Some might not like that outcome, but we all live in a nation with laws and
courts.

That is true, but some are committed to spreading a false narratigve because they prefer a system that is easy to game.

Sure if hard work, sacrifice and studying are gaming the system.
At some point the "diversity first" crowd realized that they could never achieve parity because one group studied harder than other groups and started equating studying with cheating.
This is how civilizations are lost.

That's not what they were saying. The problem is it wasn't about hard work but being wealthy enough to buy access to the entry exam.

And we know that they are full of chit.
Noone was buying access to the exam.
And if they were, it is access that is available to the general public for like $20-$40
You can buy quant Q TJHSST test prep books on amazon for about that much.


https://www.amazon.com/New-TJHSST-Math-Workbook-Advanced/dp/1794340904
https://www.amazon.com/TJHSST-Quant-Q-Vol-1/dp/1950573788

Do those books include actual test questions from prior years? Probably not if they haven’t been pulled from Amazon yet. If they do then someone broke their NDA.

Paying $$$$ to have access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test provides an unfair advantage to wealthy kids in admissions for a public school program.

Yeah, someone broke the unenforceable NDA.
That's why there are books on Amazon that tell you the format of the test and the types of questions on the test.

So there is more than one unethical person in the test prep industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The people against the new admissions process aren't necssarily concerned about the number of asians so much as the quality of the students.
We are concerned that the racial disparity propelled FCPS to abandon merit in favor of chance to get a student body that more closely approximates the applicant pool.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

Yes.
That is what majority means.
Asians also make up a majority of the applicant pool, so if you are taking a cross section of the applicant pool then then you will likely end up with majority asians.

Edited prior post because of misplaced quotation mark.

The acceptance rate for Asian applicants is still higher than average.

No discrimination, as declared by the courts.

The admissions process is facially neutral, just like literacy tests, poll taxes, voter ID laws and grandfather laws.
They were still racist as hell because the intent behind implementing them were racist.

The reason we moved away from a merit based admission process to a much more random system was to achieve the desired levels of racial diversity.
And like those racist attempts to deny black people the vote, this is an attempt to do indirectly what they could not do directly.
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase socioeconomic diversity because we are allowed to explicitly favor poor kids (which we do)
We didn't need to abandon merit to increase special ed kids because we are specifically allowed to favor special ed (which we do)
We had to abandon merit to increase racial diversity because we are not allowed to explicitly favor people on the basis of race so we eliminate merit to catch a cross section of the applicant pool.

The intent was to give access to more groups in FCPS, not just rich kids from feeders.

There were <1% of students from low-income families in the admitted class of 2024.

They increased the class size to accommodate students from all over the county.

I’m all for a merit lottery. TJ is a resource for everyone, not just the rich families from feeder schools.