Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

I know that you didn’t buy your property from the indigenous native Americans. And that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Indigenous peoples of the Americas intermixed with the European settlers to the extent that pure-blooded indigenous people are relatively rare. You can be 3/4 Irish and still be eligible for tribal enrollment in some tribes. Any brown haired hazel eyed freckled Apache claiming their land was stolen can go suck a lemon.

Muslims and Jews dont mix. Their various ancestral claims to land are not as muddled. Apples and Oranges.

I can’t take someone who posts such nonsense seriously and will no longer engage with you.

Imagine calling the European colonization of the Americas, displacement of native Americans, and appropriation of native lands as “muddled”.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some nice signs the protesters came up with

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1721193930551623760

I would interpret this sign that the protester wants to keep American hands clean of killing people in the Middle East (ie not wanting tax dollars to fund overseas wars).

I guess given your post you read that it is antisemitic sentiment and that the sign means let’s clear the world of all Jews?

Is there consensus that the second message is true? Sources / facts?

The message is quite clear - purge the world of Israel; Jews are dirty.

Right. That is your interpretation. It’s not mine (and to respond to a PP I’m not particularly creative it’s just my immediate reaction).

I could definitely be wrong. But I cannot understand how you are so certain you are right.

Because I have eyes and a brain that can draw the inference between the Star of David and the Israeli flag over an open trash can and the horrific slogan above.

Stop gaslighting, for goodness sakes. Are you also going to tell me that the Israeli flag burning at at least one of these protests was a sign of respect for Israel? Or that the swastikas present at several rallies are just an ode to Hindu symbolism?

No, not everyone at these rallies is virulently anti-Jewish, but they don’t mind keeping company with those that are.

Hey, you can always steal a slogan and reword it to mock the other side. From the river to the sea, this land is Israeli. From the river to the sea, we bomb you with glee. If I were Jewish Id be filling out a notebook with counter taunts.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

Second of all, how in the world do you think that terrorists are going to respond to this proposal? "Oh, great, see you at the club in Tel Aviv then! Can't wait until our first mixed-religion potluck."

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

So a Palestinian state where Israel is now, paid for by the United States, just because you say so. No.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

How did Jews happen to appear in Europe or Brooklyn? Are you saying that one day a handful of Europeans had seen a dream that they should convert to Judaism and ordered their religious texts on Amazon from the land of Judea? The idea that settlers in Israel have zero genetic ties to the region if we are talking about 100s of years of history is preposterous. Just like the idea that Palestinians are "natives" to the land given that this region was everyone's and their mother's part of whatever empire for thousands of years and experienced its own waves of immigrations from every which way. Please, there is literally zero justification for ANYONE to claim this land as their own these days, especially given how intermixed human population has become and how every parcel of land that's been in the crossroads of various nations and along the trade routes is a melting pot.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

i.e. separation of church and state, a foundational value of Western democracy.

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Does Gaza have its own water desalinization plant? Can they produce their own electricity?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some nice signs the protesters came up with

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1721193930551623760

I would interpret this sign that the protester wants to keep American hands clean of killing people in the Middle East (ie not wanting tax dollars to fund overseas wars).

I guess given your post you read that it is antisemitic sentiment and that the sign means let’s clear the world of all Jews?

Is there consensus that the second message is true? Sources / facts?

The message is quite clear - purge the world of Israel; Jews are dirty.

Right. That is your interpretation. It’s not mine (and to respond to a PP I’m not particularly creative it’s just my immediate reaction).

I could definitely be wrong. But I cannot understand how you are so certain you are right.

Because I have eyes and a brain that can draw the inference between the Star of David and the Israeli flag over an open trash can and the horrific slogan above.

Stop gaslighting, for goodness sakes. Are you also going to tell me that the Israeli flag burning at at least one of these protests was a sign of respect for Israel? Or that the swastikas present at several rallies are just an ode to Hindu symbolism?

No, not everyone at these rallies is virulently anti-Jewish, but they don’t mind keeping company with those that are.

The Israeli flag burning and the swastikas are not the same. Burning a flag is showing disrespect to a country and anger at a country. I do not see it as trying to exterminate the country. Swastikas in this context have only meaning. And I say that as a Hindu.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

So let's see:
-Conduct a terrorist attack on 10/7
-demand the victims stop defending themselves and showing force projection just because YOUR children are important (even though you never acknowledge that Israel's children, or any any other children in the world are important)

but now--
-the United States is to give the terrorist money just because they say so (under pretense of being poor brown people under oppression, so U.S. is obligated to oblige to atone for its history, right?)

yeah no. you don't tell the world's superpower what to do through gashlighting

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

I know that you didn’t buy your property from the indigenous native Americans. And that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Did they acquire their property in the U.S. via the MLS, or through the Zionist method of “Leave or die” ultimatum? If the latter, hell yes, they are a hypocrite.

You know so there are a lot of people living in Israel who had nothing to do with the past right?? But you want them to just give their country back?

So the criteria is, if they bought their land in Israel, and they weren’t just given it by the government who took it straight from someone else’s hands? Ok well almost every home in Israel was bought and paid for by its current occupiers. If you’re talking about the settlers in the West Bank who have thrown people out of their homes, i and most Israelis agree with you that this is awful and should stop. But if you think that most people living in their homes in Tel Aviv and Haifa etc went and stole them from Palestinians then i suggest further research on your part.

I’m not even arguing for right of return to prior land. I’m not saying that, by way of fictional example, Marc Segal from Boca Raton who now lives in the condo he bought in Haifa has to relinquish his property because it was originally part of an area burned down by the Irgun to send a message to indigenous families that they had better leave or else. With very few exceptions, the path forward cannot involve displacing one group to make whole another displaced group.

I’m arguing for finding a peaceful way (and funding it) to provide indigenous people with the same opportunity of having a home in their homeland.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

First of all, that's the end of the Jewish state.

i.e. separation of church and state, a foundational value of Western democracy.

Why is that the people who do not follow Western values are always begging the West for money and telling the West how it is failing at its core values?

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

So let's see:
-Conduct a terrorist attack on 10/7
-demand the victims stop defending themselves and showing force projection just because YOUR children are important (even though you never acknowledge that Israel's children, or any any other children in the world are important)

but now--
-the United States is to give the terrorist money just because they say so (under pretense of being poor brown people under oppression, so U.S. is obligated to oblige to atone for its history, right?)

yeah no. you don't tell the world's superpower what to do through gashlighting

Are you seriously oblivious to the actions of the modern State of Israel and her founders for the past 100 years? If so, just find another village to serve as idiot, amigo.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

I know that you didn’t buy your property from the indigenous native Americans. And that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Did they acquire their property in the U.S. via the MLS, or through the Zionist method of “Leave or die” ultimatum? If the latter, hell yes, they are a hypocrite.

You know so there are a lot of people living in Israel who had nothing to do with the past right?? But you want them to just give their country back?

So the criteria is, if they bought their land in Israel, and they weren’t just given it by the government who took it straight from someone else’s hands? Ok well almost every home in Israel was bought and paid for by its current occupiers. If you’re talking about the settlers in the West Bank who have thrown people out of their homes, i and most Israelis agree with you that this is awful and should stop. But if you think that most people living in their homes in Tel Aviv and Haifa etc went and stole them from Palestinians then i suggest further research on your part.

I’m not even arguing for right of return to prior land. I’m not saying that, by way of fictional example, Marc Segal from Boca Raton who now lives in the condo he bought in Haifa has to relinquish his property because it was originally part of an area burned down by the Irgun to send a message to indigenous families that they had better leave or else. With very few exceptions, the path forward cannot involve displacing one group to make whole another displaced group.

I’m arguing for finding a peaceful way (and funding it) to provide indigenous people with the same opportunity of having a home in their homeland.

Well no one one needs to agree with your idea of who is indigenous and the U.S. certainly does not need to pay for it. Your idea you find a way to pay for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the protesters condemn Hamas? Serious question?

You need to face the music. People have been angry for a long time about how much money our govt wastes propping up a belligerent theocratic "democracy," and this might be the straw the breaks the camel's back.

Right, US interests are totally served by letting Israel be destroyed

The state of Israel has resulted in nearly 7 decades of apartheid and oppression. Maybe it’s time for the US to stop giving it money and shielding it from the consequences of its actions on the world stage.

Look, many other states have failed and their people are fine. The third Reich was wiped off the face of the map and the German people have never been better. The USSR was wiped off the map and Russians are still invading other countries. The confederacy was wiped off the map and idiot Americans are thriving. If Israel is wiped off the map and Jews have to coexist in a democracy where everyone has a vote, they will be fine. And maybe they won’t have to build bomb shelters in their homes.

You mean the Third Reich that tried to exterminate all Jews and almost succeeded, leading the UN to create a safe haven for Jews on their indigenous lands that they had been living on for millennia even despite attempts to expel them? That Third Reich?

Please tell us more about the current Israeli Jews having lived on that land for millennia …

By this definition, you are a settler here in America. Why don’t you offer up your land to a Native American?

There’s no known dispute related to the coastal property I own right now. I also paid for it. If someone asserted ownership in the past 100 years, a system exists to sort that out.

You, on the other hand, are trying to keep a straight face while arguing that people from the Ukraine, Poland, and Brooklyn who descended on indigenous people in that region as far back as 100 years ago or so, and as recent as last week, to terrorize them into abandoning their property, have the same land rights as me.

You did not pay the indigenous people for your land. So arbitrary time parameter you are going with is 100 years? The Native Americans have the same rights to their land as the Palestinians. Furthermore, Jews have been in Palestine since before Islam was invented unlike your ancestors in the US.

You know nothing about my property ownership, so that’s a pointless diversion. Nevertheless, if a member of one of the local native tribes in my region of the country knocked on my door and laid claim to the 9,000 square feet my property is comprised of, I’d at least hear them out.

Of course, you didn’t consider relative population density in the two scenarios you’ve tried to conflate, but you can’t get everything right.

Hey, look, just tell me why any Palestinian, whose ancestors have occupied the land in question on an uninterrupted basis for thousands of years, should not be outraged that immigrants from Russia, Poland, and Brooklyn descended on the land in the past 100 years and, for the most part, terrorized their recent ancestors to the point where they were left with two choices: leave now or die. The convergence of biblical Jews indigenous to that region and the modern Israelis living in that region is what? 10 - 15%? The other 85 - 90% have as much historical claim to that land as the rest of us, if we’re to belief their own holy texts.

You can’t win this war of words.

Not sure what you mean by indigenous to the region and how many generations back you’re allowed to go? Where are your stats of 10-15% from? Jews have been living continuously in the land that is currently Israel for thousands of years - the land called Judea. But around 60% of Israelis currently in Israel are Mizrahi, meaning they are from the Middle East/North Africa within the last few generations. They are in Israel because they were expelled from the countries they had lived in for 100s of years - Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, etc. They arrived in Israel between 1920 and 1970. When the State of Israel was formed in 1948, there were around 1 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews (and about 150,000 Christians).

Let’s fast forward here …

I’m not advocating that property exchange is a realistic goal. What I’m a proponent of is something like this:

Integration of the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as a unified nation state.

True democracy.

Enforced right to peacefully co-exist for both sides.

Nobody gets slaughtered. Nobody gets harassed daily. Nobody has to live in squalid conditions.

Financial aid from Western and surrounding nations to (A) ensure peaceful co-existence; (B) provide for property acquisition by displaced Palestinians; (C) resolve the dispute over “right to return”.

The Israeli keeps the property they live on, regardless the manner in which it was acquired. The Palestinian is financially supported in acquiring property they can live on. Both sides are represented in a true democratic nation state. One person, one vote. And ample funds and U.N. oversight to ensure peaceful coexistence.

So let's see:
-Conduct a terrorist attack on 10/7
-demand the victims stop defending themselves and showing force projection just because YOUR children are important (even though you never acknowledge that Israel's children, or any any other children in the world are important)

but now--
-the United States is to give the terrorist money just because they say so (under pretense of being poor brown people under oppression, so U.S. is obligated to oblige to atone for its history, right?)

yeah no. you don't tell the world's superpower what to do through gashlighting

Are you seriously oblivious to the actions of the modern State of Israel and her founders for the past 100 years? If so, just find another village to serve as idiot, amigo.

Yawn. Be happy with the status quo because it is not going to change. not matter how hard you social media warriors try to guilt Americans into paying for your fantasy.