Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My own kids think the DMV is lame.

DMV, particularly VA suburban sprawl, is lame.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

Citation?

NP. for HS class of 2022, yield was 57%
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=234076

So just over half. Not a great yield %.

From the “College Transitions” website:

“UW-Madison’s yield rate—the percentage of accepted students who elect to enroll, divided by the total number of students who are admitted is 29%. This figure is significantly lower than other powerhouse state universities like the University of Michigan, UVA, and UCLA.”

IU’s yield is 22 perfect. Ohio State’s is 30.

Was that for in-state applicants? UVA overall yield was 42% yield.

Michigan was 77% for in-state.
https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-tops-51000-students-in-early-enrollment-data/#:~:text=Yield%2C%20which%20refers%20to%20the,offered%20admission%20deciding%20to%20enroll.

Top schools even higher.

Why wouldn’t Michigan’s in-state yield be higher? It doesn’t have William & Mary or Virginia Tech engineering as in state options. It’s also less selective for in state admissions than UVA is in-state, so at UVA in state admitted kids have more options.

Michigan’s yield is higher because truly serves all of the best students in the state. Why wouldn’t UVA’s yield be higher if it’s so great? The school even had to implement ED to improve yield. Perhaps if UVA were a better school for STEM, its yield would approach other top publics. In other words, I wouldn’t brag about a mediocre instate yield.

Nice how you completely ignored my point that top VA kids have in state options that Michigan kids don’t.

And you ignored my point that if UVA were a stronger all around school, you wouldn’t have to mention the alternatives. VaTech have doesn’t nearly have the high reputation of UVA and W&M has a small enrollment with limited offerings compared to other major state universities. The competition instate for UVA shouldn’t make much of a difference in yield, particularly since the state flagship is also on the smaller side compared to other top publics. Michigan State, like Michigan, is a complete university. They both offer a huge variety of academics to many thousands more of Michigan residents than those three state BA sate schools. There are many qualified Michigan high schools who chose MSU over Michigan simply because they like the school better, regardless of ranking. Va Tech and MSU are ranked fairly close to one another, so it’s not like that school is so much better than MSU. Like I stated earlier, i[b]f UVA were better in STEM, its yield would be comparable to Michigan’s[/b].

+1

UVA is doing just fine in STEM. My aerospace engineerin graduate is now doing electrical engineering grad work at Princeton. UVA has great STEM programs (as pointed out above) but if you don't like it, Virginia is unique in that it also has VTech. We have an embarrassment of riches in VA postseconary education

Nothing unique about Va Tech except that the states flagship is mediocre in STEM. There will always be successful graduates from all state schools. That’s still doesn’t explain the lower yield rate for instate residents.

[Anonymous]

ASU DZ

https://twitter.com/icyvert/status/1688985114586284034?s=46&t=RXug2E3wPuDEf8vlgSC9SQ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

DP. It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate. Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so. There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids. People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities.

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be. Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools. We'll wait.

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer.

The 13th grade thing is such bullshit. One third of UVA is from NOVA, one third is from other parts of the state, and one third are from elsewhere. The kids from NOVA come from some of the most diverse suburbs in the country. Many have parents who moved here from elsewhere. And any given student doesn’t know the overwhelming majority of them and has nothing to do with the kids from their own high school.

I had two kids go to UVA. Both studied abroad in college and lived abroad for several years after college. One got a master’s degree in Europe in the middle of a several year stint living in Latin America. The other joined the Peace Corps. One’s bff from college is Australian; the other’s is from New Hampshire. Their experience is no less diverse than that of my other kid, who went to college 1000 miles away (turning down William & Mary for merit aid).

I guarantee you that my UVA grads are far more “worldly” than your typical Fairfax kid going to OSU or IU.

How can you guarantee this?

You’re right. I can’t. But going to IU or OSU or any other OOS flagship doesn’t alone make someone more “worldly” than going to UVA in state. That’s for sure. And I CAN guarantee that the sizable OOS population at UVA that an in state UVA kid is exposed to is going to be a lot smarter and “worldly” than just about any flagship, considering that their admissions standards for OOS are at near Ivy levels.

Not sure why you are fixated on “worldly”.

Kids who grow up in VA and go to school in VA overwhelmingly settle in VA.

That’s just a fact. Nothing wrong with it. Not sure why you’re so defensive about it.

I’m being no more defensive about it than you and others are in not acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of VA high school graduates who end up in OOS flagships are there because they knew they couldn’t or in fact didn’t get into UVA. They’re not going elsewhere because they or their parents have an aversion to “13th grade.” They only wish they had the opportunity for it. But they don’t.

Welcome back exhausting UVA booster whose response to anyone going anywhere else is because they’re jealous that they couldn’t get into UVA. Are you truly incapable of understanding that not every kid even wants to go there for multiple reasons?

Of course they don’t all want to go there. But here’s the thing: most in state kids who do get into UVA do end up going, and the ones who don’t go usually end up at very prestigious schools or are getting a heck of a lot of money to go elsewhere. And the ones who aren’t getting in? Well, you know many of them would have gone if they could.

Citation?

NP. for HS class of 2022, yield was 57%
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=234076

So just over half. Not a great yield %.

From the “College Transitions” website:

“UW-Madison’s yield rate—the percentage of accepted students who elect to enroll, divided by the total number of students who are admitted is 29%. This figure is significantly lower than other powerhouse state universities like the University of Michigan, UVA, and UCLA.”

IU’s yield is 22 perfect. Ohio State’s is 30.

Was that for in-state applicants? UVA overall yield was 42% yield.

Michigan was 77% for in-state.
https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-tops-51000-students-in-early-enrollment-data/#:~:text=Yield%2C%20which%20refers%20to%20the,offered%20admission%20deciding%20to%20enroll.

Top schools even higher.

Why wouldn’t Michigan’s in-state yield be higher? It doesn’t have William & Mary or Virginia Tech engineering as in state options. It’s also less selective for in state admissions than UVA is in-state, so at UVA in state admitted kids have more options.

Michigan’s yield is higher because truly serves all of the best students in the state. Why wouldn’t UVA’s yield be higher if it’s so great? The school even had to implement ED to improve yield. Perhaps if UVA were a better school for STEM, its yield would approach other top publics. In other words, I wouldn’t brag about a mediocre instate yield.

Nice how you completely ignored my point that top VA kids have in state options that Michigan kids don’t.

Huh? I was there for that decision. No id did not do that to improve yield.

….and yet yield improved. Imagine that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.“


No, you’re looking for ways to justify a lack a lack of curiosity and a fear of adventure.

The vanity of people here who assume you have to be crazy or stupid to want to experience a public university that isn’t in College Park or Charlottesville reminds me of those New Yorkers who think everybody in the world spends all day trying to figure out how they might possibly be lucky enough to someday live in NYC. Get over yourselves. College isn’t one size fits all.

Lol. I’m the poster who had two UVA grads, one who joined the Peace Corp for three years and other who lived abroad for 7 years after college and got a masters in a European university. Both also studied abroad in college. Does that sound like a “lack of curiosity and fear of adventure” to you? Get back to me after your spawn do that after going to Ohio State.

That’s a cute anecdote.

But most UVA grads end up in VA. Rinse, repeat.
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

Yes, both of mine eventually returned home. As have my other kids. But if you all have this weird notion that your family is better off with your kids scattered all over the world then have at it. I’ll never understand that way of thinking. There’s lots of opportunity in the DMV. Are all of your kids going to these out-of-state schools never coming back? And if they aren’t coming back, I’d be real interested in hearing why that makes you happy.

I’d be happy if they end up somewhere more interesting in a place they enjoy. We are planning to relocate ourselves at some point in the future. Could be near the kids.

They may choose to live in VA, which is fine. Just not very interesting IMO.

So you’re one of these transplants who thinks you’re above the DMV and that it’s “not interesting.” You do realize that it’s drones like you who come here only for your soulless job and make no effort to actually integrate and that you find it “not interesting.” Right? And if it’s so uninteresting and so terrible, why are you inflicting such misery on your kids? Why do you have to wait for them to grow up?

Soulless jobs courtesy of the federal government. That’s the only reason the DMV area exists. It’s a one industry area that relies on the rest of the country to support it.

Ha!!!!!!! Amazon, Nestle, Tech/IT, etc. it’s a very diversified work market. Close in MD is the biotech corridor too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“You're looking for ways to justify your own insecurities.“


No, you’re looking for ways to justify a lack a lack of curiosity and a fear of adventure.

The vanity of people here who assume you have to be crazy or stupid to want to experience a public university that isn’t in College Park or Charlottesville reminds me of those New Yorkers who think everybody in the world spends all day trying to figure out how they might possibly be lucky enough to someday live in NYC. Get over yourselves. College isn’t one size fits all.

Lol. I’m the poster who had two UVA grads, one who joined the Peace Corp for three years and other who lived abroad for 7 years after college and got a masters in a European university. Both also studied abroad in college. Does that sound like a “lack of curiosity and fear of adventure” to you? Get back to me after your spawn do that after going to Ohio State.

That’s a cute anecdote.

But most UVA grads end up in VA. Rinse, repeat.
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php

Yes, both of mine eventually returned home. As have my other kids. But if you all have this weird notion that your family is better off with your kids scattered all over the world then have at it. I’ll never understand that way of thinking. There’s lots of opportunity in the DMV. Are all of your kids going to these out-of-state schools never coming back? And if they aren’t coming back, I’d be real interested in hearing why that makes you happy.

I’d be happy if they end up somewhere more interesting in a place they enjoy. We are planning to relocate ourselves at some point in the future. Could be near the kids.

They may choose to live in VA, which is fine. Just not very interesting IMO.

So you’re one of these transplants who thinks you’re above the DMV and that it’s “not interesting.” You do realize that it’s drones like you who come here only for your soulless job and make no effort to actually integrate and that you find it “not interesting.” Right? And if it’s so uninteresting and so terrible, why are you inflicting such misery on your kids? Why do you have to wait for them to grow up?

Soulless jobs courtesy of the federal government. That’s the only reason the DMV area exists. It’s a one industry area that relies on the rest of the country to support it.

Ha!!!!!!! Amazon, Nestle, Tech/IT, etc. it’s a very diversified work market. Close in MD is the biotech corridor too.

All there because of a large population with governmental connections. Take away the government, DC wouldn’t exist at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone claims a place is great because of its museums, I know they are full of it. It’s as convincing as saying their preferred location has great ballet.

No one ever said it's just because of museums - that's only one factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My own kids think the DMV is lame.

DMV, particularly VA suburban sprawl, is lame.

As opposed to the suburban sprawl of other metro areas? At least the sprawl is outside the capital of the United States with all that it offers. No, DC is not NYC or LA, but it's more cosmopolitan and has more "culture" than any city in Indiana, Wisconsin, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc. And while it isn't as quaint or charming as some towns, remember that young people aren't looking for the same things as retirees.

.

Chicago has suburbs in close by Indiana that are attached to that city and even have commuter rail service. Imagine that!

The Indiana suburbs of Chicago by definition are part of the Chicago metro area so aren't representative of the rest of the state. Plus they're bedroom communities to a large extent, rather than lively cultural hotspots. And of course they include lovely Gary, Indiana.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as someone claims a place is great because of its museums, I know they are full of it. It’s as convincing as saying their preferred location has great ballet.

No one ever said it's just because of museums - that's only one factor.

One factor that college kids don’t consider in the least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My own kids think the DMV is lame.

DMV, particularly VA suburban sprawl, is lame.

As opposed to the suburban sprawl of other metro areas? At least the sprawl is outside the capital of the United States with all that it offers. No, DC is not NYC or LA, but it's more cosmopolitan and has more "culture" than any city in Indiana, Wisconsin, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc. And while it isn't as quaint or charming as some towns, remember that young people aren't looking for the same things as retirees.

.

Chicago has suburbs in close by Indiana that are attached to that city and even have commuter rail service. Imagine that!

The Indiana suburbs of Chicago by definition are part of the Chicago metro area so aren't representative of the rest of the state. Plus they're bedroom communities to a large extent, rather than lively cultural hotspots. And of course they include lovely Gary, Indiana.

And the Virginia suburbs of DC are representative of the rest of the state with, “lively cultural hotspots?” The original statement was that ANY cities in Indiana, which has to include the ones near Chicago, have less culture than any city in the DMV’s sprawling suburbs. Newsflash, they both depend mainly on culture from cities outside of their respective state’s.

[Anonymous]

Nobody said you were claiming ALL you had was good museums. It’s that if u have to include museums on your list of favorable attributes, you have apparently quickly run out of convincing evidence & are padding your case with irrelevant fluff that you hope impresses some gullible readers.

Sorta like people from Queens who include Broadway shows among the reasons they love living in New York.

[Anonymous]

College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

[Anonymous]

If given the option (and $ permit) it’s natural for a college-bound kid to consider getting to know a new part of the country to be part of the mind-expanding experience of college. DD passed on UMD to head to IU. She’s loved road-tripping with friends to Chicago and Cincinnati and Nashville, and day trips into Indianapolis - all places she had never been, and now knows. I can’t even believe there are defensive commenters on this site (but ok, it’s DCUM so I kind of believe it…) who believe you can wave the Post Style section to explain why kids should willingly forego the opportunity to use the four years of college to experience life in some new region and should stay in the mid Atlantic instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.