Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

#1 Willpower is not a factor
#2 You are accusing them of some type of moral failure
#3 95% of diets just don't work
#4 You are dumb and don't understand science

Those are the talking points

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Anonymous wrote:I've been overweight my whole life (anywhere from high end of normal to 70ishlbs, currently sitting at about 30lbs) and I definitely think some thin people who are just normally thin are taking notice regarding these meds. It's like fat people are taking away their moral superiority for their thinness.

I liken it to acne. I have GREAT skin. Genetics, I guess? Luck? I sometimes sleep with make up on, I don't use serums, get botox, anything. I have friends who do everything right - 7 step skin care, sunscreen religiously, water, sleep and they have bad breakouts. In theory, my lacksidasical efforts should not reward me good skin. I didn't earn it. But I have it. Just like some people have bodies that they didn't "earn". If there was suddenly an injection that could give my friend perfect skin, would I be mad?

I think the difference is that while the friend is taking the time and effort to do all the steps, some who are obese are not willing to try the proven steps to lose weight. They are eating the wrong food, drinking alcohol and not moving their bodies. This is what I see with the obese people in my life. So far they don't have diabetes so I'm not sure if they would qualify, but I'd love for them to take the drug to get healthy. I would not be jealous or think they are taking anything from me. I'm thin but not someone who can eat whatever I want and not gain.

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I’m not diabetic and my total cholesterol was 203. BMI of 30. My insurer paid for Saxenda.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

How much weight have you lost?

Imagine that you weigh a healthy 150 pounds at 5’7. You’ve been that since college and it’s not hard to maintain that weight, it’s just where you naturally are when you’re not dieting. So somewhere in the middle of the normal BMI range. Imagine if you decided to weigh 110 pounds. How hard would it be to lose and then maintain that weight forever? Be honest. Could you do it, put in that kind of discipline and meticulous tracking for the rest of your life?

That’s about as hard as it is for someone who weighs 300 pounds to weigh 150 pounds. Their bodies want to be 300 pounds just as badly as your body wants to be 150 pounds.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

She had bariatric surgery, my judgmental friend.

But I love how you can’t address the merits of the argument, you are just flailing for random celebrities.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been overweight my whole life (anywhere from high end of normal to 70ishlbs, currently sitting at about 30lbs) and I definitely think some thin people who are just normally thin are taking notice regarding these meds. It's like fat people are taking away their moral superiority for their thinness.

I liken it to acne. I have GREAT skin. Genetics, I guess? Luck? I sometimes sleep with make up on, I don't use serums, get botox, anything. I have friends who do everything right - 7 step skin care, sunscreen religiously, water, sleep and they have bad breakouts. In theory, my lacksidasical efforts should not reward me good skin. I didn't earn it. But I have it. Just like some people have bodies that they didn't "earn". If there was suddenly an injection that could give my friend perfect skin, would I be mad?

I think the difference is that while the friend is taking the time and effort to do all the steps, some who are obese are not willing to try the proven steps to lose weight. They are eating the wrong food, drinking alcohol and not moving their bodies. This is what I see with the obese people in my life. So far they don't have diabetes so I'm not sure if they would qualify, but I'd love for them to take the drug to get healthy. I would not be jealous or think they are taking anything from me. I'm thin but not someone who can eat whatever I want and not gain.

Same. I would not be jealous at all if my obese family members lost weight by taking a drug. I would be thrilled for them that there is finally something that works. I don’t understand thin people who wish for other people to stay obese so they can feel superior.

I also don’t understand obese people who won’t even try these drugs and prefer to glamorize their obesity with tons of sugary cocktails, rich desserts, steak dinners, and sedentary lifestyles. Hedonism, gluttony, and BMI 45-50 are neither healthy nor attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

How much weight have you lost?

Imagine that you weigh a healthy 150 pounds at 5’7. You’ve been that since college and it’s not hard to maintain that weight, it’s just where you naturally are when you’re not dieting. So somewhere in the middle of the normal BMI range. Imagine if you decided to weigh 110 pounds. How hard would it be to lose and then maintain that weight forever? Be honest. Could you do it, put in that kind of discipline and meticulous tracking for the rest of your life?

That’s about as hard as it is for someone who weighs 300 pounds to weigh 150 pounds. Their bodies want to be 300 pounds just as badly as your body wants to be 150 pounds.

Thank you for the explanation.

110 at 5'7 is underweight so that would be hard to maintain. The obese people in my life were healthy weight for most of their lives and then gained. So maybe something in their bodies changed and now it is hard to go back to a healthy weight.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

She had bariatric surgery, my judgmental friend.

But I love how you can’t address the merits of the argument, you are just flailing for random celebrities.

So many on this thread said the surgery doesn't work. If she did have the surgery (I'm not her doctor so I don't know. How do you know?) she has also made lifestyle changes to maintain.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

She had bariatric surgery, my judgmental friend.

But I love how you can’t address the merits of the argument, you are just flailing for random celebrities.

Now do Drew Carey.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

She had bariatric surgery, my judgmental friend.

But I love how you can’t address the merits of the argument, you are just flailing for random celebrities.

So many on this thread said the surgery doesn't work. If she did have the surgery (I'm not her doctor so I don't know. How do you know?) she has also made lifestyle changes to maintain.

Surgery does work well, I don’t know where you got that. It isn’t perfect, and obesity is a chronic disease that even people who had surgery will need to manage for the rest of their lives. My DH had the sleeve 11 years ago, and in the past 3 years has had to track his calories and do WeightWatchers. It works for him now, whereas before the surgery he was never able to maintain a loss - it was relentless gaining. He’s now a more normal chubby dude who can control his weight through diet.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

How much weight have you lost?

Imagine that you weigh a healthy 150 pounds at 5’7. You’ve been that since college and it’s not hard to maintain that weight, it’s just where you naturally are when you’re not dieting. So somewhere in the middle of the normal BMI range. Imagine if you decided to weigh 110 pounds. How hard would it be to lose and then maintain that weight forever? Be honest. Could you do it, put in that kind of discipline and meticulous tracking for the rest of your life?

That’s about as hard as it is for someone who weighs 300 pounds to weigh 150 pounds. Their bodies want to be 300 pounds just as badly as your body wants to be 150 pounds.

Thank you for the explanation.

110 at 5'7 is underweight so that would be hard to maintain. The obese people in my life were healthy weight for most of their lives and then gained. So maybe something in their bodies changed and now it is hard to go back to a healthy weight.

Fine, 120 then. Still a normal weight but you’d have to lose 20% of your body weight from 150. Most people can admit that it would be pretty hard and take an intense amount of discipline to lose it and maintain it for life. But we tell obese people that they all should have that level of discipline so they can be a normal weight.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

No one said that. You’re really confused. People’s bodies are telling them to eat more than they should. Their brain/body is directing them to reach and stay at too high a weight. You are making it sound like people are claiming it’s unbridled chaos. No. It’s the same regulation normal weight people have, it’s just regulating to too high a weight.

Please explain more. When I over eat I gain weight. When I need to lose weight my brain tells me I'm hungry. Instead of grabbing a burger and fries I eat whole foods that fill me, but are lower calories. Everytime my brain says eat, I eat, but choose foods that are healthy and lower calories. A result is I lose weight. Couldn't the people whose bodies are regulating high do the same thing and lose? Especially if exercise is a part of their lifestyle.

Why can’t depressed people just choose to be happy? That’s what I do. If my brain is telling me to be sad, I just think about happy things until I’m not sad. Especially people who meditate as part of their lifestyle, like I do. Why do people need antidepressants? I don’t, I just use mental discipline and choose to be happy. Why can’t people do what I do instead of taking antidepressants? Please explain.

(Obviously I don’t actually believe anything this simplistic.)

Nonsense. Every obese person is not obese due to the way their brain works. Before these drugs people lost weight. Look at Jennifer Hudson. She changed they way she ate and has maintained a healthy weight for years.

She had bariatric surgery, my judgmental friend.

But I love how you can’t address the merits of the argument, you are just flailing for random celebrities.

Now do Drew Carey.

Also had surgery. And Al Roker.