Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get Wegovy covered by insurance? I have CIGNA and it's not covered despite my very high BMI. $1400 a month is not in the budget.

There's a coupon from the pharma company (forgetting the name, nova something?) that takes $500 off the price. That's my plan if insurance rejects it, which I expect them to.

Yes but that is still out of my budget. Any other ideas? Appreciate it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get Wegovy covered by insurance? I have CIGNA and it's not covered despite my very high BMI. $1400 a month is not in the budget.

There's a coupon from the pharma company (forgetting the name, nova something?) that takes $500 off the price. That's my plan if insurance rejects it, which I expect them to.

Yes but that is still out of my budget. Any other ideas? Appreciate it.

My insurance rejected every attempt to get it, but the coupon got the mounjaro for $500 the first month and now $150 which is hella better than the $900 for ozempic.

Health Insurance providers are parasites that provide no real value for the cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get Wegovy covered by insurance? I have CIGNA and it's not covered despite my very high BMI. $1400 a month is not in the budget.

There's a coupon from the pharma company (forgetting the name, nova something?) that takes $500 off the price. That's my plan if insurance rejects it, which I expect them to.

Yes but that is still out of my budget. Any other ideas? Appreciate it.

What’s your budget?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

If this is how you perceive thin people think or think about you, then you have a major chip on your shoulder and are wrong

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

If this is how you perceive thin people think or think about you, then you have a major chip on your shoulder and are wrong

I know for a fact this is how specific thin people in my life feel about me. So it's safe to say that others probably do too.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

If this is how you perceive thin people think or think about you, then you have a major chip on your shoulder and are wrong

I know for a fact this is how specific thin people in my life feel about me. So it's safe to say that others probably do too.

Ignore the PP. A hit dog hollers and many thin people are jealous guards of what they perceive to be the “right kind of thin.” They don’t care about fat peoples’ health, they just enjoy feeling superior.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

It might be that they have worked very hard to keep their bodies in shape through food and exercise habits (because there are a lot of people like that on these boards), and feel that the work is now not appreciated because others are taking medication for the same purpose. I'm not saying they are correct, but that might be how some people feel. Like when some people paid off their own student loans and are now angry that others get them forgiven for free.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

If this is how you perceive thin people think or think about you, then you have a major chip on your shoulder and are wrong

I know for a fact this is how specific thin people in my life feel about me. So it's safe to say that others probably do too.

Ignore the PP. A hit dog hollers and many thin people are jealous guards of what they perceive to be the “right kind of thin.” They don’t care about fat peoples’ health, they just enjoy feeling superior.

This is bananas. No thin person cares if you are thin too. Really, they don’t. If you think anyone is sitting around stewing about this, that is um..pathological on your part

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Anonymous wrote:This entire discussion, summed up:

Fat shamer: You need to lose weight and get healthy! Take some personal responsibility, I’m tired of the excuses.

Fat person: You’re so right! I’m going to take this medication that will help me lose weight.

FS: NO NOT LIKE THAT

Well said and extremely accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

That's your worry, then? That there is not enough med to go around? You want to save it for a certain population? Doctors gate-keeping prescriptions and insurance companies denying claims seem to be doing that now, so you're wishes are covered. All good now?

DP but they were first developed for diabetes and I've heard from the healthcare community that there are shortages because people are using them solely for weight loss.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been overweight my whole life (anywhere from high end of normal to 70ishlbs, currently sitting at about 30lbs) and I definitely think some thin people who are just normally thin are taking notice regarding these meds. It's like fat people are taking away their moral superiority for their thinness.

I liken it to acne. I have GREAT skin. Genetics, I guess? Luck? I sometimes sleep with make up on, I don't use serums, get botox, anything. I have friends who do everything right - 7 step skin care, sunscreen religiously, water, sleep and they have bad breakouts. In theory, my lacksidasical efforts should not reward me good skin. I didn't earn it. But I have it. Just like some people have bodies that they didn't "earn". If there was suddenly an injection that could give my friend perfect skin, would I be mad?

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I totally agree. I’m not obese, but I think the analogy is spot on. For me, I’m very lucky in that I’m a naturally happy, even-keeled person. And it’s not that I have not had awful things happen, in fact I’ve experienced terrible things. But my natural mental state is that of a happy optimist. It isn’t work on part, it just is. But I’d never express the anger that some of the anti-semiglutide thin folks are on this thread towards antidepressants. What I achieve easily, through a quirk of genetics and brain chemistry, my friends need drugs for. And that is great that they have that option. Why would I be angry about that? I’m happy they are finally happy, not angry and resentful about it like some of the PPs are about this class of drugs. I just don’t understand where this clear anger and misery from the anti-drug PPs on this thread is coming from.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, medications, and set restraint

Fixed it for you. Why do you care if other people use meds are part of their plan to manage weight? Like honestly, why does that bother you?

It's like the people who get angry when others get plastic surgery or botox. Jealousy. Worried they won't be as special if everyone else ups their game.

So…you think people are jealous they aren’t obese and taking meds?? This is very twisted

They’re not envious, they’re jealous in that they feel threatened that their thinness is no longer something that makes them special if everyone has access to it. Jealousy also means fear that something will be taken from you.

This is insightful. I’m the PP with the friend who is going to a therapist to manage some of the psychological impact of Wegovy. She’s actually talked about this issue with her therapist (who specializes in eating disorders and body issues). The therapist said that some of the thin patients she sees are dealing with significant anger, jealousy, and genuine senses of loss over what Wegovy and drugs like it have revealed. Of course this is a group of patients who are already in mental health treatment for things like EDs, body dysmorphia, etc., but yes, many of them are openly mourning the loss of what, as you say, they thought made them special. It’s common enough that the therapist is talking with other professionals in the field about it and how to help their patients. Of course that does not apply to everyone, but I’m just validating that there has been a psychological impact of these drugs even on a group of people who have never taken them.

One of the other hard aspects is that body disordered patients who aren’t at all obese (in fact the opposite) are trying hard to get these drugs illicitly. And there are shady doctors prescribing them.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get Wegovy covered by insurance? I have CIGNA and it's not covered despite my very high BMI. $1400 a month is not in the budget.

There's a coupon from the pharma company (forgetting the name, nova something?) that takes $500 off the price. That's my plan if insurance rejects it, which I expect them to.

Yes but that is still out of my budget. Any other ideas? Appreciate it.

My insurance rejected every attempt to get it, but the coupon got the mounjaro for $500 the first month and now $150 which is hella better than the $900 for ozempic.

Health Insurance providers are parasites that provide no real value for the cost.

Looks like Cigna will cover mounjaro.... stay tuned

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Anonymous wrote:For those who have taken the medication, I'm wondering what it actually does and how it makes you feel and eat differently. Like, did you go from being physically hungry all day every day to having very little appetite whatsoever? Did you formerly crave junk food or were you already eating pretty healthy? If you used to eat unhealthy food, did the medicine take away that craving and make you crave healthy foods, or did it sort of reduce your interest in all foods equally? If you used to eat healthy food but were still overweight, is it because you ate large quantities of food or did you track your intake pretty carefully and gained regardless? Do you forget to eat or have to remind yourself to eat now? Is it like surgery where you can only eat a small quantity at a time now?

I’m answering for a dear friend not me, but what I saw with her was that she was a volume eater. Her diet was quite healthy—her fridge always looked better than mine, and I lived with her for awhile and I know she eats very healthy. But she eats a lot, because she’s never satiated. So for instance we might eat a dinner together of grilled salmon, broccoli, and maybe a side of couscous. But she would eat probably 1/3rd more than me, and also be hungry again an hour later whereas I would still be full. She didn’t tend to eat a lot of sweets, but if she did, she would struggle to stop (which is why she avoided them). Pre-Wegovy she was probably about 70 lbs overweight.

Wegovy changed all of that. She’s simply not hungry. She still eats healthy, but I would say she is consuming less than half of what she ate before. She’s had some minor gastrointestinal side effects according to her but nothing bad. She has lost over 60 lbs. The other thing that is interesting is that she always suffered from joint stiffness and facial flushing, and struggled with skin irritation. That all started to go away almost immediately, before she lost any significant weight. Her theory is that she has suffered for a long time from some sort of systemic inflammation that this drug has controlled.

She had to suddenly go off of it because of supply chain issues for a few months and her desire to eat a lot more came roaring back. She gained weight during that time, which she lost when the supply chain resolved.

The psychological aspects have been intense because she’s had to come to grip with how much of her overeating and weight gain was a physiological issue, not the moral failing she’d always been told it was. She’s dealt with a great deal of anger at people much like the “just have discipline” people in this thread. Turns out weight has nothing to do with discipline. It’s very easy to maintain a healthy weight if your body isn’t driven to consume calories. So, she’s been going through therapy to help her come to grips with the history of shame and self-loathing that she’s realized she’s directed at herself for nothing. (As her friend watching this up close, I am angry myself, having realized what an absolute load of nonsense we’ve been peddled by snake oil salespeople like the trainer who was posting up thread. The diet and wellness industry is such a poisonous blight. But I digress.)

She’s always been an exerciser and has continued that. She’s able to bike up steeper hills now because she isn’t carrying as much weight.

She views this as a lifelong drug.

To say heathy eating and exercise doesn’t require discipline is simple not true though.

There are extremes like your friend, where they impulsively eat and simply cannot help it. And then those at the other end that are are “naturally thin” with little desire for food and eating beyond exactly what their body burns. But the vast majority of people fall somewhere in between and have to exercise discipline, good choices, commitment to health, and set restraint

It sounds like her friend did exercise discipline and commitment to health to the best of her abilities. This medicine gives her more ability. Why are you opposed to making someone else's journey a little easier?

Not opposed at all. Simply stating that implying that everyone that is overweight or obese has a brain disorder making them totally unable to have any control on their eating simply isn’t true- for most. There isn’t enough medication out there to dose out to everyone that is overweight

That's your worry, then? That there is not enough med to go around? You want to save it for a certain population? Doctors gate-keeping prescriptions and insurance companies denying claims seem to be doing that now, so you're wishes are covered. All good now?

DP but they were first developed for diabetes and I've heard from the healthcare community that there are shortages because people are using them solely for weight loss.

Novo Nordisk released a statement that all doses will be available by the end of February for both Wegovy and Ozempic.

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You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.