What the hell happened to JD Vance?

[Anonymous]

Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

You people are so tiresome. His MOM changed his name when he was a boy, and then he decided as an adult to change his last name to honor his grandparents. But, you know that. Keep up the gaslighting!

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

You people are so tiresome. His MOM changed his name when he was a boy, and then he decided as an adult to change his last name to honor his grandparents. But, you know that. Keep up the gaslighting!

So, the answer is yes. He changed his name.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

You people are so tiresome. His MOM changed his name when he was a boy, and then he decided as an adult to change his last name to honor his grandparents. But, you know that. Keep up the gaslighting!

So, the answer is yes. He changed his name.

And your point is? Do you have one?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

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I’m from a fairly UMC family and can’t remember the last time I was at an event which had a very formal, multiple utensil meal.

I'm from a LMC family. Never had multiple forks as a kid, but I had heard to work from the outside in.

So strange that Amy Chua would help create a white nationalist.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

You people are so tiresome. His MOM changed his name when he was a boy, and then he decided as an adult to change his last name to honor his grandparents. But, you know that. Keep up the gaslighting!

So, the answer is yes. He changed his name.

And your point is? Do you have one?

I asked a question. Wasn't making a "point." If you can read, you can go back and see my question.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

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I’m from a fairly UMC family and can’t remember the last time I was at an event which had a very formal, multiple utensil meal.

I'm from a LMC family. Never had multiple forks as a kid, but I had heard to work from the outside in.

So strange that Amy Chua would help create a white nationalist.

DP. Comments like this say so much more about you than anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:My millennial daughter says JD Vance is “scaring the hoes”. Really bad pick

You mean “ho”, not “hoe.” “Hoe” is the garden tool. “Ho” is a dialect evolution if “wh**e.”

Vance is scaring the sofas.

[Anonymous]

Dear single people...

[Anonymous]

Vance would consider a “federal response” to prevent women traveling from red states to blue states for reproductive healthcare. Chilling.

[Anonymous]

He's so bad it makes me wonder if he might have been a sleeper agent waiting for this opportunity to embarrass Trump but sadly I think he really is just an opportunistic and incompetent a-hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't he change his name? I don't think he was born JD Vance.

Seems like a big fake.

You people are so tiresome. His MOM changed his name when he was a boy, and then he decided as an adult to change his last name to honor his grandparents. But, you know that. Keep up the gaslighting!

So, the answer is yes. He changed his name.

Would you want your alcoholic step father’s last name, that didn’t even stay married to your mother? And his grandparents were pretty abusive and wild too, though that tempered down as Vance grew up. His grandmother was pregnant at 13! But in their younger years they were both violet and she was a major hoarder. Apparently MeeMaw set PawPaw on fire once! No wonder his mom had major issues.

From The New Yorker piece:

“ On one occasion, she split Jim’s forehead open with a vase. On another, she set him on fire. One of her kids—who was then eleven years old—snuffed out the flames.” That’s the grandparents.

I think it is safe to conclude he had a poor and bizarre childhood

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/j-d-vances-sad-strange-politics-of-family#:~:text=In%20one%20key%20respect%2C%20though,Mamaw%20and%20Papaw%20stayed%20married%2C

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

+2
I’m from a fairly UMC family and can’t remember the last time I was at an event which had a very formal, multiple utensil meal.

I'm from a LMC family. Never had multiple forks as a kid, but I had heard to work from the outside in.

So strange that Amy Chua would help create a white nationalist.

Politics (of authoritarianism) create strange bedfellows.

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Vance would consider a “federal response” to prevent women traveling from red states to blue states for reproductive healthcare. Chilling.

What’s sobering in this clip is how far gone Republicans are. He sounded (was this 2021?) like he was trying to remember the year the GOP had planned to ban abortion in Ohio, then he had to nod to his party’s rampant anti-semitism with the “George Soros” bit, feigned caring about Black women briefly in order to mock the notion of diversity and to misrepresent the Democrats and closed it with being happy to ban interstate travel for women.

The Republican Party has lost its marbles and long since veered into authoritarianism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear single people...

Good god.