What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

Smart people do research before facing an unfamiliar situation. I read etiquette books because I knew I’d get out of my Appalachia . I also read about art history and taught myself about classical music. Read the cannon. When I moved to the ivy lifestyle, I was prepared.

Yay, you? Many kids on scholarship or from vastly different backgrounds are not even aware of “prepping” for the Ivy lifestyle. But glad you were so very forward-thinking.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

Smart people do research before facing an unfamiliar situation. I read etiquette books because I knew I’d get out of my Appalachia . I also read about art history and taught myself about classical music. Read the cannon. When I moved to the ivy lifestyle, I was prepared.

Lmao, sure anon, they taught you the cannon at the big Ivies. Did you learn it while hoisting sails?

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Absurd poseur.

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Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

Exactly! I find it all so funny. Especially the sudden amnesia around Kamala Harris’s dismal performance and polling just a few short weeks ago. How soon everyone wants to forget that she was considered the albatross on the ticket!

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

Didn't one or both of her kids scheme into an elite Ivy law school via ROTC or JAG? J.D. schemed his way into YLS pretending to be Appalachia trailer trash and checking the military box for diversity.

You can’t be serious. Do you know how unhinged you sound? He was able to pay for his undergrad at Ohio State *because* he served in the military - like many lower income Americans. He had to take out loans to go to YLS - which he hasn’t expected anyone else to pay back for him, unlike your crew.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

Exactly! I find it all so funny. Especially the sudden amnesia around Kamala Harris’s dismal performance and polling just a few short weeks ago. How soon everyone wants to forget that she was considered the albatross on the ticket!

Cope much. It's sad when you've got someone deeply unlikable as VP and an old senile man at the top of the ticket. Can't wait for sentencing hearing in September! Bring popcorn! Just watch the enthusiasm build for Kamala and her VP. Hear that...that's Democrats getting pumped up. I haven't seen this energy since 2008. LFG.

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

Pray tell the Ohio law office his wife ever worked at? What state were the kids born in?

Wow, you're like a pitbull. I have no idea what state his kids were born in - why on earth would that be relevant to anything? As for Usha Vance, she was working for a firm based in SF and DC. Is there some stipulation that says she has to work in Ohio? Are you high?

So he's an Ohio senator whose family has never actually legitimately resided in Ohio. Got it.

DP. Are you unable to read the previous posts detailing his home in Ohio? Just give it up. You sound so incredibly stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

How is she not respectable?

And LOL on the Leftist spin machine. I have a lot of "anti-Squad" Dem friends and they are taking particular delight in forwarding memes of Vance as a heterosectional.

How mature!
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

How is she not respectable?

And LOL on the Leftist spin machine. I have a lot of "anti-Squad" Dem friends and they are taking particular delight in forwarding memes of Vance as a heterosectional.

How mature!
DP

As opposed to the "maturity" of trash you actually vote for:

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Anonymous wrote:The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

This compulsive liar was not raised in a barn, he was raised in a middle class suburb. Then he "served" 4 years stateside desk duty, then 2 years in Columbus at OSU, where he interned for congressmen. You think the first time this dork had a proper restaurant meal was in his mid to late 20s in law school? Give me a break. He did not need a creepy over-involved law professor and her me-too'd husband to teach him how to use a fork in New Haven. This is so clearly a cliche fabrication pulled from thin air, just like the rest of his fake memoir. The guy is a serial plagiarist and fabricator.

Sure, whatever you say. Meanwhile, I can’t remember the last time I had a formal meal with multiple utensils. If I was a college student raised in a working class home and no prior experience, I’d be freaking out too. But again - whatever you say.

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

The kids go to school in VA, wife works for a DC law firm. They don’t live in Ohio and never have. And never will. Read his book, he clearly despises flyover people. And a California high caste Indian like his wife would never in a million years live in Ohio.

People commenting have clearly never read this book. I read it when it came out because it got crazy press as "how to understand how Trump came to be." The first 2/3rds are kind of a (not necessarily truthful?) Sob story but the conclusion is, "they're generally irredeemable, generationally effed rubes who did and continue to do this to themselves so...write them off. If they want out they can bootstrap it, but in general they're just worthless pieces of shit, so who really cares? I got out and I am NOT going back."

Also, I got the feeling that he was done with his mom because of her drug addiction and I did not think that was unreasonable becauseshe sounded awful in the book. Sounds like she got sober so that's good, I guess. But as a recovering alcoholic of many years, I wouldn't want someone talking about it to others, let alone to the nation. I'm sure others disagree but that was my reaction.

There is no verification of anything in his book. Just his and her word. And many lies he told have already been exposed. She was likely paid handsomely to go along with his fake narrative.

DP. You are such a liar. Not only have his sister, mother and other family members verified all of this, his high school teachers have too. Grow the hell up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

Exactly! I find it all so funny. Especially the sudden amnesia around Kamala Harris’s dismal performance and polling just a few short weeks ago. How soon everyone wants to forget that she was considered the albatross on the ticket!

Cope much. It's sad when you've got someone deeply unlikable as VP and an old senile man at the top of the ticket. Can't wait for sentencing hearing in September! Bring popcorn! Just watch the enthusiasm build for Kamala and her VP. Hear that...that's Democrats getting pumped up. I haven't seen this energy since 2008. LFG.

You mean the completely astroturfed “enthusiasm” for Kamala?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

Didn't one or both of her kids scheme into an elite Ivy law school via ROTC or JAG? J.D. schemed his way into YLS pretending to be Appalachia trailer trash and checking the military box for diversity.

You can’t be serious. Do you know how unhinged you sound? He was able to pay for his undergrad at Ohio State *because* he served in the military - like many lower income Americans. He had to take out loans to go to YLS - which he hasn’t expected anyone else to pay back for him, unlike your crew.
DP

First he claimed got a full ride to Yale Law, now he claims to have had $120k in loans — to tee up being anti student loan forgiveness, as directed by the right wing think tanks who created him. Any proof of his student loans or just taking the atheist pathological liar’s word for it?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

Didn't one or both of her kids scheme into an elite Ivy law school via ROTC or JAG? J.D. schemed his way into YLS pretending to be Appalachia trailer trash and checking the military box for diversity.

You can’t be serious. Do you know how unhinged you sound? He was able to pay for his undergrad at Ohio State *because* he served in the military - like many lower income Americans. He had to take out loans to go to YLS - which he hasn’t expected anyone else to pay back for him, unlike your crew.
DP

First he claimed got a full ride to Yale Law, now he claims to have had $120k in loans — to tee up being anti student loan forgiveness, as directed by the right wing think tanks who created him. Any proof of his student loans or just taking the atheist pathological liar’s word for it?

He did indeed receive a full ride for his first year at YLS. He had to pay the rest with loans. Are you completely unable to Google?

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apparently, he has been like this for a while

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Anonymous wrote:apparently, he has been like this for a while

He’s a nut, but people have mentioned that forever.