Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

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Anonymous wrote:It’s blatant gerrymandering to cut out the voices- voters and ANC reps - who are interested in more reasonable growth in Cleveland Park. Members of the Task Force have not been shy about sharing their pro-development agendas and undermining historic preservation in Cleveland Park for years. People whose views differ volunteered for the Task Force and were rejected. The folks behind the gerrymandering don’t like the opinions held by many of the voters who live in homes between Wisconsin and Connecticut so their solution is to cut half of them out of having any say about what happens in Cleveland Park below Reno Toad/34th St. It doesn’t seem to bother the Task Force members that citizens being cut out send their kids to the public school on 34th St and will no longer have an ANC rep who has a vote over what happens at the school, or the traffic surrounding the school. (The Task Force member who lives in Cleveland Park sends his kids to private school). The Cleveland Park citizens being cut out rely on the fire station and Metro on Connecticut Ave and frequent the stores and restaurants in Connecticut Ave. The Task Force is severing a long established and cohesive neighborhood for their own selfish political agenda. Sheer stupidity.

And greed. The principal architect of the gerrymandering, Mr Ward, has worked for clients like the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort, JUUL, the ex-President who fled to Russia during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, etc. His website states that he creates advocacy groups and develops public strategies on behalf of his clients. He formed Cleveland Park Smart Growth (unincorporated and does not disclose its finances) which supports candidates, including himself and one of the other task force members for the ANC and Beau Finley for Council. Shaping electoral districts that are more likely will elect pro-Smart Growth candidates to the ANC (given “great weight” under DC law in planning, zoning and historic preservation decisions) is a huge win for undisclosed development interests in Ward 3.

Wow, talk about deranged. You are just making up a grab bag of stuff to smear someone who has a relatively minor local zoning quibble with you. Are you OK in the head? I can suggest some good people if you need to talk to somebody/get deprogramming help. We are there for you.

It does seem kinda weird that a guy who shows up multiple times in the Senate Intel and Mueller reports for his activities involving Ukraine and Russia would be appointed by Cheh to such a position of influence.

cite?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

So does this mean that residents in the new 3A will a continue to have a “great weight” say through their ANC commissioners in transportation issues or development on Connecticut Avenue?

No. And that is the point. Why should people in Cathedral Heights have a say as to what happens on Connecticut Avenue?

Cathedral Heights isn’t in the same neighborhood. Cleveland Park is. The task force sought to deny a voice to people over matters that affect their neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

A line needs to be drawn somewhere. In matters of zoning, anyone within 200 feet of say, John Eaton, would be given status. As such, BOTH ANCs would be at the table.

Nice try. Public schools are not subject to Zoning or BZA review, the way private schools are. John Eaton got renovated in no insubstantial part because of the dogged work by the ANC commissioner for the school, who today represents much of Cleveland Park in a single SMD. As of 2023, even raised crosswalks next to Eaton will require parents and neighbors to work through two ANCs and multiple commissioners.

Raised crosswalks are going to be the norm at every intersection. It shouldn't take very much effort to ask DDOT to install them the next time they repave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

So does this mean that residents in the new 3A will a continue to have a “great weight” say through their ANC commissioners in transportation issues or development on Connecticut Avenue?

No. And that is the point. Why should people in Cathedral Heights have a say as to what happens on Connecticut Avenue?

Cathedral Heights isn’t in the same neighborhood. Cleveland Park is. The task force sought to deny a voice to people over matters that affect their neighborhood.

Maybe the people of Cleveland Park should not have overstepped when they tried to landmark the Giant that was outside of their historic district.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s blatant gerrymandering to cut out the voices- voters and ANC reps - who are interested in more reasonable growth in Cleveland Park. Members of the Task Force have not been shy about sharing their pro-development agendas and undermining historic preservation in Cleveland Park for years. People whose views differ volunteered for the Task Force and were rejected. The folks behind the gerrymandering don’t like the opinions held by many of the voters who live in homes between Wisconsin and Connecticut so their solution is to cut half of them out of having any say about what happens in Cleveland Park below Reno Toad/34th St. It doesn’t seem to bother the Task Force members that citizens being cut out send their kids to the public school on 34th St and will no longer have an ANC rep who has a vote over what happens at the school, or the traffic surrounding the school. (The Task Force member who lives in Cleveland Park sends his kids to private school). The Cleveland Park citizens being cut out rely on the fire station and Metro on Connecticut Ave and frequent the stores and restaurants in Connecticut Ave. The Task Force is severing a long established and cohesive neighborhood for their own selfish political agenda. Sheer stupidity.

And greed. The principal architect of the gerrymandering, Mr Ward, has worked for clients like the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort, JUUL, the ex-President who fled to Russia during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, etc. His website states that he creates advocacy groups and develops public strategies on behalf of his clients. He formed Cleveland Park Smart Growth (unincorporated and does not disclose its finances) which supports candidates, including himself and one of the other task force members for the ANC and Beau Finley for Council. Shaping electoral districts that are more likely will elect pro-Smart Growth candidates to the ANC (given “great weight” under DC law in planning, zoning and historic preservation decisions) is a huge win for undisclosed development interests in Ward 3.

Wow, talk about deranged. You are just making up a grab bag of stuff to smear someone who has a relatively minor local zoning quibble with you. Are you OK in the head? I can suggest some good people if you need to talk to somebody/get deprogramming help. We are there for you.

It does seem kinda weird that a guy who shows up multiple times in the Senate Intel and Mueller reports for his activities involving Ukraine and Russia would be appointed by Cheh to such a position of influence.

cite?

See Volume 5 (Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities) of the Unclassified Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate, on Russian Active Measures, Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election (pages 121-128), which describes his work as part of Fabrizio Ward, LLC with Paul Manafort (then under Federal indictment) and Konstantin Kilimnik (identified by the Senate committee as a Russian intelligence agent) in Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone has equal standing regardless, why bother to change the boundaries at all?

You may need to write this down somewhere for later reference - the boundaries needed to change because population changed.

Actually the population changed rather little in ANC 3C, particularly in Woodley and Cleveland Park. Population shifts based on the 2020 census easily could have been adjusted before without radical gerrymandering. The task force cited anticipated future population growth at City Ridge and Upton/ Van Ness, but future population growth is not a basis in the stature for redistricting. Only the last census is. Yet another example of how the runaway task force exceeded their authority to substitute their own policy preferences for the statute (and ignored other requirements like keeping cohesive neighborhoods together under a single ANC).

Finley's SMD was over the statutory limit of 2000 +/-10% and thus needed to change. Macwood's and Finley's SMDs violated the "don't split census blocks" guidelines.

Finley is not a top-tier candidate & looks like a loser in the DC Council race. Could he try to run again for the ANC?

He's probably the smartest guy in the council race, but his campaign hasn't been apparent based on streetlight signage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened is not "gerrymandering"

The people who love closest to Wisconsin Avenue will now be part of an ANC that is focused on Wisconsin Avenue. That is the opposite of gerrymadering.

It never made sense that an ANC Commissioenr who lives across the street from the Cathedral had oversight of Connecticut Avenue.

The change fixes that to a degree. Now, the people who live closest to each corridor will have a say in what happens on those corridors. This is a good thing.

Yes, but a person who lives directly across 34th Street from John Eaton and sends children there now has no say in what happens at John Eaton (or NCRC or Cleveland Park Club). Ditto for someone on the other side of 34th wrt Macomb Playground (or the Cathedral Schools or the Hearst pool). A neighborhood is more than its commercial boundaries.

If your bad logic holds, then you have no say in anything regarding Hardy Middle School because you don't live in the ANC where Hardy is located, despite Eaton being in its feeder pattern.

3C just passed a resolution about Hardy, even though Hardy isn't in 3C. Was there shock and horror? No there was not. You can have a say on Eaton even if you don't live in the ANC that covers it - just attend the public meeting and/or write the commissioners. Or, get your own commissioner to do that.

So does this mean that residents in the new 3A will a continue to have a “great weight” say through their ANC commissioners in transportation issues or development on Connecticut Avenue?

No. And that is the point. Why should people in Cathedral Heights have a say as to what happens on Connecticut Avenue?

Cathedral Heights isn’t in the same neighborhood. Cleveland Park is. The task force sought to deny a voice to people over matters that affect their neighborhood.

Maybe the people of Cleveland Park should not have overstepped when they tried to landmark the Giant that was outside of their historic district.

Nonsense and non-sequitur.

[Anonymous]

All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

Logic has no place in this thread. seriously, we're now talking about deep state conspiracies and how that has caused a rift in the hyper-local zoning continuum, which will destroy the cherished way of life for about 150 people whose homes are worth about 2M each and whose domain will include 6000 fewer people.

[Anonymous]

Where is the link to the Cheh final map?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is the link to the Cheh final map?

There is none. Her amendment just says: use the other map but make these changes. It doesn’t even provide any analysis of population impacts or differences among the SMDs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

Good to hear. Where is the boundary between 3C and 3A? Can anyone link to the final map?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

Good to hear. Where is the boundary between 3C and 3A? Can anyone link to the final map?

Keep asking. They cannot provide it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

Good to hear. Where is the boundary between 3C and 3A? Can anyone link to the final map?

Keep asking. They cannot provide it.

It is the same map that was posted last week except woodland-normanstone is moved to 3C

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of 34th Street is within ANC 3C. It is not split between commissions.

Good to hear. Where is the boundary between 3C and 3A? Can anyone link to the final map?

Keep asking. They cannot provide it.

Isn't it 36th street?