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Anonymous
PLEASE! THIS WILL NOT EVEN HAPPEN EVEN IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY! PLEASE! THERE IS NO SUCH THING "EQUALLY ACESSIBLE TO ALL". |
Anonymous
"Equally accessible to all" just means schools can provide it if the students ask for it, just like anyone with an internet connection has equal access to all knowledge available online. But equal access for all is nowhere near the same as equal motivation for all. Schools will never be able to equally motivate all students, but motivation is precisely the category where students significantly differentiate themselves from the rest. |
Anonymous
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Educational achievement isn’t purely about the motivation of the child. Parental factors are probably more important.
Tell me with a straight face that the teenage kids of recent presidents Trump or Obama have a perfectly equal chance of success as same age kids of equal motivation and intelligence but live in a trailer park in rural Alabama. |
Anonymous
About 80% of Asian students at Stuy are farms students. |
Anonymous
It’s a lot easier to be “motivated” when you understand the path and have resources to support you. |
Anonymous
Inconvenient truth. |
Anonymous
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Only 43% of the school in total are economically disadvantaged
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/stuyvesant-high-school-13092 |
Anonymous
She was talking about the percent of ASIAN students at Stuy that are FARMS. And please note that 90% of the Asian students are economical disadvantaged: Ali pointed out that most of the student body is made up of first or second generation immigrants, and half qualify for reduced-price or free lunch, a measure of poverty in schools. According to Department of Education statistics, though Asian students are 74% of Stuyvesant, they represent over 90% of students who qualify for free or subsidized lunch. “All of those people who grow up poor, they’re all going to go to college, and most of them are going to end up in professional jobs … they’re going to be upwardly mobile economically,” Ali said. Here is the cite from 2019: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/228192/stuyvesant-high-school-black-asian-students |
Anonymous
| Ok, so what was the selection criteria that they used that resulted in so many poor kids getting admitted? Could they be applied in other high poverty populations, particularly Black and Hispanic ones? |
Anonymous
They have only one criteria- pass the entrance exam. Nothing else is considered. |
Anonymous
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But then how are low income students prepping for the test?
How did the school avoid the common situation of the middle classes private tutoring their way in? Where are the middle class applicants ? |
Anonymous
I'm not quite sure how to answer this. We had been in the country for a year or so when my brother tested into Tech (yes, we were poor). My parents didn't know there even was a test. Or that the three "special" schools existed. My brother did no prep (and while extremely intelligent, he was NOT a particularly remarkable student). We didn't know about any of it until he came home one day and announced that he had tested into Tech, and he intended to go (we lived in The Bronx). I think he was motivated by being pretty relentlessly bullied at PS 127 (which, we also didn't find out until decades later). The only thing I can think of in terms of his success, is that my parents were typical Asian parents, and cared *deeply* about education (they were themselves well educated, and we were solidly middle class before we moved). As such, they always did what they could to make sure that the kids got good grades (I was on auto-pilot; I always got good grades. My brother, my mom spent endless hours teaching him, with what we thought were pretty poor returns). I think that most Asian kids (and kids from say, certain African countries) are successful, because there is such a strong emphasis on education, almost to the point of exclusion of everything else. |
Anonymous
Asian low income students are prepping by studying. What a surprise. |
Anonymous
People will start attacking poor Asian students who were admitted to Stuy by saying they cheated by studying with their parents and siblings and that they somehow got their hands on exam questions. |
Anonymous
| +one million |