Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

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It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

I think the opposite. She has brought workplace harassment to the forefront again. How many times have we heard that this industry is different? It's not really though. It's just that everyone has accepted it for too long. Male abusers might thing twice going forward which makes her efforts a win at great personal cost.

Wut. When is ANYONE ever said Hollywood is not a sexist misogynistic industry?

What are you even talking about?

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There clearly was a strategic leak to tmz about no money changing hands. The article has been edited since it was originally published to add the “it appears” language.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

I think the opposite. She has brought workplace harassment to the forefront again. How many times have we heard that this industry is different? It's not really though. It's just that everyone has accepted it for too long. Male abusers might thing twice going forward which makes her efforts a win at great personal cost.

Wut. When is ANYONE ever said Hollywood is not a sexist misogynistic industry?

What are you even talking about?

You mean all the comments talking about how Blake should have just sucked it up because actors are not like average office workers?

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Anonymous wrote:There clearly was a strategic leak to tmz about no money changing hands. The article has been edited since it was originally published to add the “it appears” language.

Is there a screenshot, because I read it early last night and it said "it appears."

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

Oh 100%. The statement effectively justifies her advancing the lawsuit and in no way exculpates him. She will move past this, and already has with the Met appearance. Her biggest challenged will be being labeled "difficult" by studio execs. Not the same as the stigma and liability Baldoni now carries moving forward.

[Anonymous]

"No money exchanged hands" is going to be the new "Taylor Swift's dad was secretly helping Baldoni the whole time."

(Speaking of which, ugh, all these mysteries that will never be resolved! Was Freedman's statement completely made up out of thin air or was there some semblance of truth he was maliciously twisting? We'll never knew!)

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think Blake’s biggest issue was TikTok. She doesn’t understand it and either her Pr team doesn’t either or she chose not to listen to them. I think it’s the latter and likely RR thinks he knows best. The days of inauthentic celebs and worshipping them is over and those two don’t seem to get it.

Isn't that Baldoni's whole schtick?

What is his schtick? I know little about JB. But if he is against celeb worshipping, then no wonder she hated him

He is everything you claim to detest.

+100

It's also very weird to read these long posts declaring a hatred of celebrity worship and parasocial relationships in this specific thread.

I have a suspicion that at least some of the Baldoni stans arrived at this case after Depp/Heard ended. I know, I know, I will be told that ACTUALLY the Baldoni supporters were on Amber Heard's side the whole time! Whatever. I feel pretty confident that there's some overlap in the people who rabidly posted about how much they hated Amber Heard (called her a liar, claimed Depp was the true victim, etc.) all throughout that trial, and the people who have been caping for Baldoni (and hating Lively, calling her a liar, claiming Baldoni was a the true victim, etc.) this time around.

So who's next? What woman will the fixate on as the root of all evil, and what problematic man will they decide is actually a hero?

Funny, was just thinking about this last night. All the useful idiots doing the patriarchy's work for them. Do you think they're mostly motivated by jealousy and parasocial attachments to men? It's disturbing.

Anyway, not a big Blake fan but definitely preferred her to the gross men involved in this case, and like that she showed up at the Met gala alone looking confident.

Please, Blake’s fabrications have done nothing but harm women that are actually the victims of workplace harassment. She’ll never stop fighting in for them unless her claims get dismissed or there is a Met Gala to attend.

I think the opposite. She has brought workplace harassment to the forefront again. How many times have we heard that this industry is different? It's not really though. It's just that everyone has accepted it for too long. Male abusers might thing twice going forward which makes her efforts a win at great personal cost.

Wut. When is ANYONE ever said Hollywood is not a sexist misogynistic industry?

What are you even talking about?

DP but the PP is obviously referring to the common attitude prior to this lawsuit that because Hollywood is a creative industry, the regular rules for workplace safety and treatment don't apply. The lawsuit really challenged that attitude by treating the set of the movie as any other workplace, where employees have protections in place.

Even the court decision dismissing Lively's SH claims could potentially be used on behalf of another actor suing over mistreatment. The court dismissed those claims in large part because he found that Lively did not qualify as an employee of the film. She was deemed an independent contractor, outside the scope of the laws she was suing under. And the decision goes into detail as to WHY she was deemed an independent contractor, relying on the control she exerted over the film, and her own description of that control in her pga letter.

Most actors have nowhere near that power on a set. Most are not producers at all, and if they get executive producer credits, they are vanity credits only. Most don't have influence over casting, which APs are hired or fired, the way the movie looks, editing, etc. Which means an actor suing their director or production company over mistreatment on set could reference Lively v. Baldoni as setting a standard for the difference between an employee and an independent contractor on a film set and say, "look, all of the factors that led to Blake Lively being deemed an independent contractor go the other way in my case, thus I was an employee of the film and entitled to the all the rights and protections of employees under the law."

[Anonymous]

I’ll just keep saying it again. 10 of the 13 claims got kicked out with two more being getting ready to be kicked out. The trial would’ve been essentially a contract dispute.

Justin and Jamie and all the folks no longer defendants - this was about a company versus Blake lively. Lively’s team just faced a series of losses, including unsealed documents that they didn’t want and jury instructions that they didn’t want.

Add on, if you’ve been paying attention to Steve Sorowitz he has $3 billion and absolutely no incentive to settle with a payout of any kind to Lively. Sure a trial is always somewhat of a risk but with one minor claim going forward really not a risk for him.

Sorry, but ridiculous to think that Blake and Ryan aren’t on the hook for all their attorney fees and ridiculous to think WF gave them one cent. It’s been in the news for months that Ryan has been ready to settle and wrap this up. And let’s face it. He’s footing the bill, not Blake, and he clearly calls all the shots in everything that she does. People saying that the anti Blake side is anti-woman are ignoring Ryan Reynolds instrumental role in all of this.

If the Met Gala was the goal, she could’ve just stayed out of this lawsuit, not run to the New York Times and happily gone to the Met Gala last year. Could’ve saved herself 50 million in attorneys fees and a friendship with Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

Oh 100%. The statement effectively justifies her advancing the lawsuit and in no way exculpates him. She will move past this, and already has with the Met appearance. Her biggest challenged will be being labeled "difficult" by studio execs. Not the same as the stigma and liability Baldoni now carries moving forward.

I suspect she's going to make a pivot to producing/directing. If I were advising her, I'd have her looking for opportunities to produce perhaps a series or limited series for one of the major streamers. Something female-forward with a fashion tie in as those are her strengths. She can guarantee a certain number of eyeballs on anything her name is attached to even if some people will be tuning into hate watch. But instead of starring, she gets a younger, lesser known cast involved, she is a producer, and perhaps she directs a couple episodes. If that works out okay, she'll get more opportunities. It needs to be the right projects.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll just keep saying it again. 10 of the 13 claims got kicked out with two more being getting ready to be kicked out. The trial would’ve been essentially a contract dispute.

Justin and Jamie and all the folks no longer defendants - this was about a company versus Blake lively. Lively’s team just faced a series of losses, including unsealed documents that they didn’t want and jury instructions that they didn’t want.

Add on, if you’ve been paying attention to Steve Sorowitz he has $3 billion and absolutely no incentive to settle with a payout of any kind to Lively. Sure a trial is always somewhat of a risk but with one minor claim going forward really not a risk for him.

Sorry, but ridiculous to think that Blake and Ryan aren’t on the hook for all their attorney fees and ridiculous to think WF gave them one cent. It’s been in the news for months that Ryan has been ready to settle and wrap this up. And let’s face it. He’s footing the bill, not Blake, and he clearly calls all the shots in everything that she does. People saying that the anti Blake side is anti-woman are ignoring Ryan Reynolds instrumental role in all of this.

If the Met Gala was the goal, she could’ve just stayed out of this lawsuit, not run to the New York Times and happily gone to the Met Gala last year. Could’ve saved herself 50 million in attorneys fees and a friendship with Taylor.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll just keep saying it again. 10 of the 13 claims got kicked out with two more being getting ready to be kicked out. The trial would’ve been essentially a contract dispute.

Justin and Jamie and all the folks no longer defendants - this was about a company versus Blake lively. Lively’s team just faced a series of losses, including unsealed documents that they didn’t want and jury instructions that they didn’t want.

Add on, if you’ve been paying attention to Steve Sorowitz he has $3 billion and absolutely no incentive to settle with a payout of any kind to Lively. Sure a trial is always somewhat of a risk but with one minor claim going forward really not a risk for him.

Sorry, but ridiculous to think that Blake and Ryan aren’t on the hook for all their attorney fees and ridiculous to think WF gave them one cent. It’s been in the news for months that Ryan has been ready to settle and wrap this up. And let’s face it. He’s footing the bill, not Blake, and he clearly calls all the shots in everything that she does. People saying that the anti Blake side is anti-woman are ignoring Ryan Reynolds instrumental role in all of this.

If the Met Gala was the goal, she could’ve just stayed out of this lawsuit, not run to the New York Times and happily gone to the Met Gala last year. Could’ve saved herself 50 million in attorneys fees and a friendship with Taylor.

Agree.

Also agree

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll just keep saying it again. 10 of the 13 claims got kicked out with two more being getting ready to be kicked out. The trial would’ve been essentially a contract dispute.

Justin and Jamie and all the folks no longer defendants - this was about a company versus Blake lively. Lively’s team just faced a series of losses, including unsealed documents that they didn’t want and jury instructions that they didn’t want.

Add on, if you’ve been paying attention to Steve Sorowitz he has $3 billion and absolutely no incentive to settle with a payout of any kind to Lively. Sure a trial is always somewhat of a risk but with one minor claim going forward really not a risk for him.

Sorry, but ridiculous to think that Blake and Ryan aren’t on the hook for all their attorney fees and ridiculous to think WF gave them one cent. It’s been in the news for months that Ryan has been ready to settle and wrap this up. And let’s face it. He’s footing the bill, not Blake, and he clearly calls all the shots in everything that she does. People saying that the anti Blake side is anti-woman are ignoring Ryan Reynolds instrumental role in all of this.

If the Met Gala was the goal, she could’ve just stayed out of this lawsuit, not run to the New York Times and happily gone to the Met Gala last year. Could’ve saved herself 50 million in attorneys fees and a friendship with Taylor.

I keep seeing some of you claim that 2 of Blake's 3 remaining claims were "about to be" kicked out. But if that were true, the settlement statement would not have leaned towards her narrative. If she was really about to be down to one flimsy claim plus headed into trial with the narrative being that the judge was against her, there's no way Wayfarer would have agreed to a statement that gives credence to her complaints, which this one definitely does.

I think some of the pro Baldoni people are really delusional about where the case was at before settlement. Yes there were absolutely risks for Lively in moving to trial. But there were also major risks for Baldoni and Wayfarer, probably more risks because of the liabilities in the form of Jed Wallace and Melissa Nathan and all of them potentially getting painted with the broad brush of what those two actually do for a living.

The settlement statement indicates that Lively had more leverage than Baldoni/Wayfarer in the final agreement. If her lawsuit was a guaranteed loser, that would not be the case.

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Anonymous wrote:If no money changed hands (and that includes attorneys fees and donations to causes), then I agree that this is essentially a win for Baldoni. The statement leans slightly in Blake's favor, but not $50 m in attorneys' fees worth. She probably could have gotten something similar out of him on Day 1.

If money changed hands, then I would feel differently.

With no public statement about his innocence, and in fact implying the contrary, this in no way constitutes a win for Baldoni. Since he was not on the hook for any money, all that was left was his reputation, which remains sullied (with good reason imo). The man doesn't even have representation now. Settling the case with a nice pro-Blake statement about the challenges she faced does not help him one bit.

Oh 100%. The statement effectively justifies her advancing the lawsuit and in no way exculpates him. She will move past this, and already has with the Met appearance. Her biggest challenged will be being labeled "difficult" by studio execs. Not the same as the stigma and liability Baldoni now carries moving forward.

I suspect she's going to make a pivot to producing/directing. If I were advising her, I'd have her looking for opportunities to produce perhaps a series or limited series for one of the major streamers. Something female-forward with a fashion tie in as those are her strengths. She can guarantee a certain number of eyeballs on anything her name is attached to even if some people will be tuning into hate watch. But instead of starring, she gets a younger, lesser known cast involved, she is a producer, and perhaps she directs a couple episodes. If that works out okay, she'll get more opportunities. It needs to be the right projects.

No words. You clearly haven’t realized she’s neither talented or bright. She couldn’t even pull off a decent wardrobe for Lily.

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"We acknowledge the process presented challenges and recognize concerns raised by Ms. Lively deserved to be heard."

You don't make this concession on a frivolous lawsuit. There would be no reason to do so. This sentence strongly indicates that Wayfarer felt they had more to lose at trial than Lively did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"We acknowledge the process presented challenges and recognize concerns raised by Ms. Lively deserved to be heard."

You don't make this concession on a frivolous lawsuit. There would be no reason to do so. This sentence strongly indicates that Wayfarer felt they had more to lose at trial than Lively did.

This statement doesn’t say what you seem to think it does